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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
August 6 1
August 20 1
August 27 1
August 28 1
August 31 1 1
September 3 3 1
September 5 1
September 7 1
September 13 1
September 17 2 1
September 18 2 1
September 20 1
September 22 1 1
September 24 2 1
September 26 1
September 28 1
September 29 1 1
October 1 1
October 2 2
October 3 3 1
October 4 1
October 5 1 1
October 6 2
October 8 4
October 9 3 1
October 12 1 1
October 14 2
October 15 1
October 16 2
October 17 3 2
October 18 1 1
October 19 2 1
October 20 3
October 21 6 5
October 22 3
October 24 4 3
October 25 3 1
October 26 5 2
October 27 1 1
October 28 5 5
October 29 2 2
October 30 11 7
October 31 4 3
November 1 8 4
November 2 3 1
November 3 8 5
November 4 5 3
November 5 9 5
November 6 3 2
November 7 11 6
November 8 6 3
November 9 8 5
November 10 7 4
November 11 7 4
November 12 9 7
November 13 9 3
November 14 16 7
November 15 5 3
November 16 12 5
November 17 12 5
November 18 10 3
November 19 12 5
November 20 5 1
November 21 12 4
November 22 9 3
November 23 6 2
November 24 7
November 25 6
November 26 3
November 27 2
Total 308 134
Last updated 07:11, 27 November 2023 UTC
Current time is 07:12, 27 November 2023 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

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Frequently asked questions[edit]

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

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Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers[edit]

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
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    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

  • To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on August 6[edit]

Herb Dell

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5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:51, 7 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Herb Dell; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: His being official at the same time is sourced to a primary source database. As it's an exceptional claim that he'd be in a conflict of interest position, it should have a secondary source, vetted by an author, which confirms that he was an official and coach in the same league at the same time. —Bagumba (talk) 11:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I've always found Pro Football Archives a reliable and accurate source, but if you need a non-database reference I'll need awhile to find it (I may contact them to see which games he officiated and if that doesn't work, I may have to go digging through all the game recaps of the season - but I had planned on doing that anyway in a month or two for another project). Is that alright, @Bagumba:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:02, 10 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I'm ok to wait (I'll leave it to others if there are DYK restrictions on the length of that wait).—Bagumba (talk) 18:57, 15 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@BeanieFan11: What's the status of your search? Is this ready for a re-review? Z1720 (talk) 14:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Z1720 and Bagumba: OK, so I haven't had much time to do the research, but I contacted PFA and they gave me a list of every game they were able to verify he officiated. There were no games from 1922, so I don't see why list him as having officiated during that year, but I still think a few other good ALT hooks could be developed by changing the wording. E.g. "... that after having been an official for Columbus Panhandles NFL games, Herb Dell served as their head coach?" Thoughts? BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:02, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bagumba: Does this satisfy your concerns? Z1720 (talk) 19:44, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not sure if Bagumba is coming back, so this will need a new reviewer. If Bagumba comes back they can resume where they left off. Z1720 (talk) 15:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@BeanieFan11: Go ahead and make a formal hook proposal. I might suggest using officiated for "been an official for". The fact that the Columbus owner was also his friend might be interesting to somehow squeeze in, if possible.—Bagumba (talk) 07:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bagumba: ALTs:
ALT2 ... that after having been an official for Columbus Panhandles NFL games, Herb Dell served as their head coach?
ALT3 ... that Herb Dell officiated NFL games for a team coached by his friend?
ALT4 ... that Herb Dell officiated NFL games for a team coached by his friend and also served as their head coach himself for a time?
ALT5 ... that after having officiated games for the Columbus Panhandles NFL team, Herb Dell served as their head coach?
Mainly different wording styles - open to any other ideas. Of the hooks, I think I like ALT4 best. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BeanieFan11: Modifying ALT5's end to something like "...Herb Dell was hired by his friend, team owner Joseph Carr, to be their head coach?" would add the question of nepotism (making an official a coach) to the hook, while still maintaining whether there was conflict of interest that he was previously allowed to officiate their games. Similarly, ALT4 can also be tweaked to "for a team coachedowned by his friend".—Bagumba (talk) 21:45, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT4a ... that Herb Dell officiated NFL games for a team owned by his friend and also served as their head coach himself for a time?
ALT5a ... that after having officiated games for the Columbus Panhandles NFL team, Herb Dell was hired by his friend, team owner Joseph Carr, to be their head coach?
@BeanieFan11: What are your thoughts on ALT4a and ALT5a, which are based on Bagumba's suggestions? Z1720 (talk) 18:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bagumba and Z1720: Either works, but I like ALT4a better, though maybe change it to ALT4b: ... that Herb Dell officiated NFL games for a team owned by his friend and also served as their head coach for a time? BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:14, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BeanieFan11: For 4b, I'm not a grammar expert, but the hook as written seems unclear whether "and also served as their head coach for a time" applies to Dell or his friend. Of course, it should be Dell. Maybe just needs a comma before "and", or even adding "he" (e.g. "... , and he also served...")?—Bagumba (talk) 09:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bagumba: Maybe better would be: ALT6a: ... that Herb Dell served as both an official and the head coach for an NFL team owned by his friend? / ALT6b ... that Herb Dell served as both an official and the head coach for a National Football League team owned by his friend? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BeanieFan11: It should be "game official" as opposed to holding an office with the team. However, the hooks incorrectly reads like game officials are employed by the team, but really they are only working games that involve the team. Is 5a acceptable?—Bagumba (talk) 13:20, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bagumba: Sorry to keep dragging this out its just I think this is a really interesting topic and I want to maximize the potential DYK views - I'd guess be fine with 5a but usually when there's a bunch of links like that there aren't as many views; what about ALT7a: ... that Herb Dell both refereed games and served as the head coach for a National Football League team owned by his friend? / ALT7b ... that Herb Dell both refereed games and served as the head coach for an NFL team owned by his friend? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BeanieFan11: No worries. We're both trying to get this right. My main problem now is that "Dell both refereed games...for a National Football League team owned by his his friend" is incorrect. He presumably didn't work "for" the team, but worked independently for the league. We can say that "he refereed Columbus games", but not "for Columbus". Many of the earlier hooks also incorrectly use this "for" wording. Sorry for only flagging this now.—Bagumba (talk) 01:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on August 20[edit]

Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha

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  • ... that the part of longitude 79E which pass over India consist of eight prominent Shiva temples, known as Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha, and it span over 2,383 km (1,481 mi)? Source: Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha

ALT1: ... that eight prominent Shiva temples in India sit near 79 degrees east longitude?

ALT2: ... that eight prominent Shiva temples in India sit near 79 degrees east longitude are known as Shiv Shakti Aksh Rekha?

    • Reviewed:

Created by Omer123hussain (talk). Self-nominated at 14:20, 20 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Did you know; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • The hook is quite hard to understand. It's not really a hook but more of a rephrasing of the article's first line. The article also has just over 1000 characters, which is below the 1500-character minimum for DYK. If the article can be expanded further then the review can continue but if not I'm afraid the nomination will have to be failed due to ineligibility. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The new hook is not suitable at all, not just because it's also not very hooky (see WP:Did you know/Guidelines for more information, but also because the article is still (barely) under 1500 characters. I should also point out that there's a big "orphan" tag on the article that needs to be resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:20, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Resolved Orphan tag, and expanded the article. :) Omer123hussain (talk) 08:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The article is now above 1500 ch, and revised the hook to make it more hooky :)Omer123hussain (talk)
Dropping a ping to Narutolovehinata5 and a possible ALT1: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1: that ... eight prominent Shiva temples in India sit near 79 degrees east longitude?
I Agree with "ALT1", waiting for Narutolovehinata5. :)––Omer123hussain (talk) 05:25, 28 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As Narutolovehinata5 had not responded we can proceed now. :)––Omer123hussain (talk) 07:34, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The new hook isn't the greatest but I think another reviewer can take a look at this and do a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:24, 1 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
added new alt2 Narutolovehinata5, its simple and clear to understand.
@Omer123hussain: Pings only work if you sign the edit at the same time. Paging Narutolovehinata5. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My apology, its my bad :)—Omer123hussain (talk) 11:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • According to DYKcheck, the article is still under 1500 prose characters (1443), and will need to be expanded further. Please note that all text in the table is does not count as prose per DYK guidelines. There's no point in finding someone to do a full review as suggested above until the article is long enough. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BlueMoonset: thanks for your review, I had expanded the article by adding a sectin "Legends" i hope it serves the purpose now. :)Omer123hussain (talk) 18:53, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
New enough, long enough. ALT1 short enough, sourced and interesting. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. QPQ unnecessary. You've left the first paragraph of "Legends" unsourced, I'd like to see it cited before I approve this.--Launchballer 15:33, 3 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Nominator's last edit was Oct 12, and there are still concerns above. Nominator has not responded to ping. Z1720 (talk) 19:00, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well I'm assuaged. Good to go.--Launchballer 09:51, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The article currently claims that all these temples were constructed 4000 years ago, an exceptional claim that requires a far better source than this; and the language in that source is so poor I suspect it ought to be removed altogether. The other sources are also making tall claims, and given the language similarity between them I suspect some churnalism is going on. There is also a lot of uncited content. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The claim "temples were constructed 4000 years ago" is cited from two sources 4th and 5th, of which 5th is very much reliable. Regards. :)Omer123hussain (talk) 06:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Please ping me when responding here. The first of those sources is not reliable for an exceptional historical claim. The second may be, but as far as I can see does not contain the title of this article nor the names of a handful of temples that I checked; can you provide a quote supporting this claim? Please note that your current block, even if it isn't lifted, doesn't prevent you from responding here. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Vanamonde93: I was curious about this, as the 4000 years seemed extremely unlikely. The temples concerned were generally constructed in the 5th centuary, so at best we're talking well under 2000 years. Accordingly I've removed the claim, and as the source now appears unreliable I've replaced it as well. It should be good now. - Bilby (talk) 02:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Bilby: Thanks for removing that; I remain concerned at the unsourced text in the table, as well as about OR in general; see the use of this source for the claim that "Historians and archaeologists had initiated a research program to explore the mysterious construction of theses temples in the single geographical alignment", for instance. As you're evaluating this user's block, I assume you saw my ANI report: I've found verifiability issues in a lot of content they have written, and I'm certainly not going to approve this myself without a more detailed source check. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Vanamonde93: I do agree that they have had an issue with sourcing, although I'm still evaluating the extent, on the simple groun ds that there is a lot of content to run through. I'll work through this and see what I can do, simply as a matter of interest and the broader process. - Bilby (talk) 23:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Given that the nominator is currently blocked from editing articles and has not edited since Halloween, the nomination can probably be closed as unsuccessful. If anyone is willing to adopt this nomination and address any concerns, however, feel free to state so and the nomination can continue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That can work, but the adoption has to be formally stated and the issues still have to be addressed before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I don't normally work in this area. If it helps, I'll take care of this ) I formally adopt the article, and I'm checking every source before we progress. I'll be done within a day, but I like to make sure that I have read every source refered to and confirmed that it says what is claimed. - Bilby (talk) 12:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Bilby: What's the progress regarding verification? I'm sure you've seen this already, but there are concerns on the talk page that this may constitute a hoax.--Launchballer 11:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The article has been tagged with a {{Hoax}} template; this is a more appropriate icon, given the article's current state. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on August 27[edit]

2023 Chicago Marathon

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  • alt0: ... that the two second-fastest marathoners ever ran in the 2023 Chicago Marathon? ⏰ date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
  • alt0a: ... that both the second-fastest male marathoner ever and the second-fastest female marathoner ever ran in the 2023 Chicago Marathon? ⏰ date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
    sources: 
       [1] https://archive.today/20230827231327/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a44632887/2023-chicago-marathon-full-fields/
    Chicago Marathon, to be held on October 8 ... defending champion Benson Kipruto of Kenya ... will be challenged by Kelvin Kiptum, also of Kenya, who is the second-fastest man in history. ... On the women's side [is] Ruth Chepngetich of Kenya, who just missed the world record at Chicago last year .... [links removed]
       [2] https://archive.today/20230827231305/https://www.worldathletics.org/news/report/chicago-marathon-2022-chepngetich-kipruto
    Chepngetich ... held on to finish in 2:14:18, the second-fastest time in history.
  • alt1: ... that one runner of the 2023 Chicago Marathon is the Chicago Marathon's millionth finisher? ⏰ date requested: 2023.10.08 12:30 utc (07:30 cdt) (pending approval)
    source: https://archive.today/20230827231342/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a42200126/chicago-marathon-field-2023/
    one of the 2023 participants will cross the finish line as the Chicago Marathon's significant one-millionth finisher
    • reviewed: hotel normandie (new york city)
    • comment:
      in alt0, the two runners being referred to are kelvin kiptum, the second fastest male marathoner ever, and ruth chepng'etich, the second fastest female marathoner ever. "the two second-fastest marathoners ever" is admittedly an unusual way to word this. i thought it was somewhat quirky and avoids a bit of redundancy, but have also added alt0a if the wording seems inappropriate. i think the two second-fastest wheelchair marathoners ever are also planning to compete, but i haven't found reliable sources to support this yet.
      also, i believe i have coded the hooks so that the tenses will correctly update during the day of the race. i believe the race is scheduled to start at 12:30 utc, so the winners are first runner is likely to finish sometime between 14:30 and 14:35. i don't know when exactly the millionth finisher will finish the race, but it looks like it will take around 90 minutes for everyone to start the race, and the average marathon finish time is around 04:30 (four and a half hours), so i am using a finish time estimate of 17:45. also, the code for the hooks should replace "today's" with "the 2023" once the day is over (where "2023" is part of the link text, and "the" is not).
      update: welp, it looks like tigst assefa just destroyed the world record last weekend at berlin, making alt0 and alt0a no longer true, so i am striking them. (i think this is probably the best reason i have ever had for striking a hook.) alt1 remains valid. also, i have since learned from this source that more than 960,000 runners have finished the chicago marathon so far, and more than 47,000 are scheduled to run this year, so am adjusting my estimated finish time of the millionth finisher to 18:45 utc, based on the results of runners who finished in the 15th percentile last year, as seen here.
      i have also updated the {{DYK date request}} template. if you approve of the date request, please replace "approved=no" with "approved=yes". you can also use the optional "approvedby" parameter if you wish.
      i declare that i am not aware of having any conflict of interest with the 2023 chicago marathon.

created by dying (talk). self-nominated at 23:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC). [copyedited and added quotes. dying (talk) 01:17, 4 September 2023 (UTC)] [struck alt0 and alt0a, and updated alt1 and comments. dying (talk) 21:21, 27 September 2023 (UTC)] [struck date request and updated comment. dying (talk) 12:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)]Reply[reply]

  • Comment this race has now happened, and Kelvin Kiptum set the world record at this event. Would be good to have a hook related to the events of the race itself (since it's now happened). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:10, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
New enough, long enough. ALT1 short enough, sourced, and interesting. No neutrality problems found, no copyright problems found, no maintenance templates found. QPQ done. I'd like to see the bare URLs formatted and the article and hook brought up to date before I approve this.--Launchballer 11:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
thanks for the comment, Joseph2302, and for the review, Launchballer. yes, i agree that this nomination needs an update.
i'm currently working on a proper update for both the article and the nomination. unfortunately, this may take some time, as i admittedly hadn't planned for the possibility of having this hook reviewed after the race. this might be just as well, as the article was recently linked from an itn blurb for a few days (though not as the bolded link, so the article remains eligible at dyk), so it may be better to delay posting this hook for a while anyway. dying (talk) 02:59, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, there are still bare URLs, and the article still seems out of date.--Launchballer 09:55, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
apologies for the delay! i have been working on an update, but i'm still not happy with it. i think, if i'm still not finished with it two weeks from now, i'll just post what i have, to avoid delaying this nomination any further. is that alright? dying (talk) 10:59, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not sure if that will be allowed due to the whole "articles are expected to be in a not-incomplete state" guideline, and an outdated article may not meet that. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

welp, Launchballer, i am admittedly still working on the article, but i have posted what i have. thanks for being patient. hopefully, it is sufficiently updated enough for dyk purposes. if not, please let me know what i should address.

i think the most interesting thing about this race is that, had tigst not broken the women's world record two weeks before, the winning times in this race would have broken both the men's and women's world records. however, a hook focusing on this fact may seem almost regretful over tigst's achievement, so i ended up deciding against proposing such a hook.

i did notice that it seems like five course records were broken in this race: male runner, female runner, non-binary runner, male wheelchair athlete, and female wheelchair athlete. (i think no one has competed as a non-binary wheelchair athlete yet.) however, i couldn't find a source that explicitly states that the non-binary runner course record was broken, or even that a record of the fastest performance by a non-binary runner is kept as a course record. i did find a source that mentioned that the other four course records were broken, though.

Sifan Hassan
Sifan Hassan

alt2: ... that, during the 2023 Chicago Marathon (female winner pictured), four course records were broken?

source: https://archive.today/20231118084354/https://www.runnersworld.com/races-places/a45444043/chicago-marathon-2023-results/
There were four course records set on a near-perfect day for racing in the Windy City.

as the fact that kiptum broke the world record was already featured at itn for several days, i thought i might avoid bringing it up again at dyk. however, i can propose a hook along those lines if you think it would be better than the ones i have already proposed. dying (talk) 12:59, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for updating the article. I see no further bare URLs or tense issues, so I could approve this with ALT1. However, I'm fairly sure that the non-binary runner would come under WP:CALC, so "five course records" were broken. If you'd prefer that hook to run, please propose it; otherwise I'll approve this.--Launchballer 13:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Launchballer, that's very kind of you to offer. i am admittedly hesitant because i don't think this falls under the wp:calc exception. though i believe caswell's performance was the best ever by a runner in the chicago marathon's non-binary division, i am having trouble finding any evidence that the chicago marathon, or any reliable source, treats this performance as a course record. (during the race, jeannie rice set the marathon world record for the masters w75 division, i.e., women between the ages of 75 and 79, though i assume the chicago marathon does not treat this as a course record.)
it's possible that not reporting caswell's performance as a course record is just an oversight. catherine debrunner set a course record at the 2022 berlin marathon, though the statistics page on the berlin marathon's web site did not initially reflect this. (this was later corrected.) incidentally, that same page, updated after the 2023 race, appears to show that the berlin marathon does not list a non-binary performance amongst its course records.
now that i'm thinking about it more, however, i realize that, by ignoring what could be considered a fifth course record, i may be inadvertently excluding non-binary runners from the hook simply because i couldn't find a source that reported caswell's performance as a course record. as the issue is potentially controversial, i was thinking of asking for further community input at wt:dyk, to see whether it would be better to mention that four course records were set, or five. would that be alright with you? dying (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It may be worth asking at WT:DYK.--Launchballer 09:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on August 28[edit]

Mario Party DS

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Improved to Good Article status by The Green Star Collector (talk). Self-nominated at 00:43, 31 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mario Party DS; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: @The Green Star Collector: Good article, but

  • "Mario Party DS was succeeded by Mario Party 9 for the Wii in 2012. The game was rereleased on the Virtual Console for the Wii U in 2016."

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  • "By September 2015, Mario Party DS had sold over 9 million units worldwide, making it the eleventh best-selling game for the Nintendo DS."

Don't seem to be verified by their citations. I also can't find what verifies the hook nor what verifies what citation 19 cites but maybe that's just me being dumb. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Was planning to review this so I'll just leave this as a comment. I have to disagree with OGJ here that the original hook is interesting. Well, it probably is to video game fans like myself who may be familiar with Hudson Soft, but for people not into video games, it's not really that interesting. Are there any other possible options here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:17, 31 August 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would say there's no point in continuing this nomination, as it has now been over a month since the article was promoted to good article status. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 02:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's not how it works though. As long as the nomination was made within seven days of promotion to GA status, the nomination can continue even if the review takes longer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:07, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. The citation is supposed to indicate that every installment after Mario Party DS is developed by NDcube rather than Hudson Soft or simply "Hudson". Whether the hook is interesting or not is more of a subjective issue, and I'm not sure how it would be improved. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 15:24, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perhaps a different hook, like something unusual or eyecatching regarding game mechanics, may work? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:35, 14 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@The Green Star Collector: Would you like to propose a couple of different hooks? This allows reviewers to indicate which one(s) they think are the best ones. Z1720 (talk) 16:58, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Z1720: That's a good idea. I actually just thought of another hook viewers might find interesting: that all of the minigames feature the characters competing at a much smaller size, coinciding with the events of the game's story mode. However, I'm not sure what would be the best/most interesting way to praise this. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 23:22, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Drive by intervention but, here's some formalised version of ★ The Green Star Collector ★'s above suggestion:

ALT1: ...that Mario Party DS's minigames feature the characters competing at a much smaller size? Source: https://www.giantbomb.com/mario-party-ds/3030-21186/

ALT2: ...that Mario Party DS's minigames feature "minimized" characters? Source: https://www.giantbomb.com/mario-party-ds/3030-21186/

-Bogger (talk) 20:49, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bogger: I really like the second option; it sounds interesting, and it's technically true, as the characters are shrunk with a device called the Minimizer. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 21:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging Onegreatjoke and User:Narutolovehinata5, in the hopes that one of them can weigh in on the proposed ALT hooks and perhaps complete the review. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • New reviewer needed to weigh in on proposed ALT hooks and complete the review; no response to previous request in over a week. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 3[edit]

25 Water Street

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55 Water Street
55 Water Street

There's an ALT hook I don't particularly encourage and haven't included as an option, but some sources claim that the building's design, including its narrow windows, was based on a punched card. This sounds too dumb to actually be true, though, so seems more like local lore repeated. Created by SnowFire (talk) and Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by SnowFire (talk) at 05:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/25 Water Street; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @SnowFire and Epicgenius: New and long enough, Earwig detects no copyvios, QPQ done. What sources talk about the punched-card-like design? It's healthy to be skeptical, but if multiple sources say that and none explicitly question it, it shouldn't be excluded in the article since that's a form of original research. It would actually make a good hook. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 21:41, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I guess that's the penalty for mentioning it... [1] (same source as above) says "It was designed to look like a punch card and housed telecommunications offices and equipment", [2] says "The building was designed in the 1960s to look like a punched card, as a nod to the tech and telecommunications offices it housed" (a sentence so similar it might have been directly based on the Gothamist article). That said, we have editorial discretion here. These are two random sentences that could well be the result of a game of journalistic telephone. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources, and while I agree that it'd be cool to include if it true, I'm really not sold on it being true yet. Meanwhile, "biggest in the US" seems like a, well, bigger fact for a hook anyway. I'll go ahead and email the journalists and see if they are interested in responding as to where this fact came from, but even if it ends up included in the article, I'd personally lean toward the original hook anyway. SnowFire (talk) 22:00, 4 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is not an extraordinary claim, it seems quite reasonable that an architect would design a building in this way. Also, we don't have "editorial discretion" on Wikipedia, which would be original research, but we do assess whether sources are reliable or not. If those two sources aren't good enough for you, have you tried to find a contemporaneous source on the building's design (Newspapers.com is useful for this, which is free for experienced Wikipedians), or even one from an architecture-specific publication? Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 03:27, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@SnowFire and Antony-22: Just chiming in briefly, but newspapers.com doesn't have comprehensive coverage of Manhattan topics between the 1930s and the present; I'd say Newsday and the New York Daily News are the only two major publications on newspapers.com that cover Manhattan. The search results aren't great, since "4 New York Plaza" (the building's original address) is used on tons of advertisements and notices, including those for the Daily News which had offices there. However, I did find this source, which honestly has a ton of info that could be added to the article, including the windows' exact dimensions and the reasoning for the relative lack of windows. Epicgenius (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yep, that sounds about right and as expected, it was to make air conditioning more efficient not a weird fancy about punch cards. I've integrated the source; a great find! (Although as a side note, the article mentions that the "contract price" was 2.4 million under estimate - but that's kinda vague. Whose estimate? Who got the saved money - the architecture firm, the building owners, someone else?) SnowFire (talk) 20:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also did some searching myself and didn't find anything contemporaneous about a punch card design. This was the most relevant source I found, which interestingly says that the bricks we chosen to blend with surrounding 19th-century structures, all of which were soon demolished anyway. Hook checks out, so this is good to go. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 20:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(de-indent) Nice find! I've integrated the 1979 source as well on the bricks. SnowFire (talk) 23:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pulled from queue after this discussion at Errors:

  • ... that the largest office-to-residential building conversion in the United States is underway at 25 Water Street?
    It sounds like spin, doesn't it? Two references for the hook. One (Gothamist) has the disclaimer "according to its owners", the other a site called New York YIMBY says it's the largest "per unit count". I expect this also comes from the developers. According to this these are only plans awaiting approval, and the large number of units would involve some units without bedroom windows (which isn't allowed in New York). We shouldn't be stating this as fact in wikivoice. Secretlondon (talk) 16:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The latter source from August 2023 says that the developers "have announced plans" for a building conversion. I share your concern and suggest we pull the hook. Premeditated Chaos, is that ok with you? Schwede66 17:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Not a problem, I'm sorry I missed it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll put the nomination back into the unapproved pile. Ping Secretlondon and Premeditated Chaos for info. Schwede66 23:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I think the existing hook is fine. Of course it's sourced to the owners - but that is the nature of a planned change, and this would seem a very difficult thing to "lie" about. Describing this as merely "announced plans" is wildly misleading - I can literally see the workers going at it, and there are pictures in the article of the renovation underway. It is not a planned renovation, it is a currently underway renovation. There was a $536 million loan to make this go. It's happening.
  • The Debevois source brought up by Secretlondon says: Though zoning regulations and building code hurdles remain, including density restrictions and the requirement of windows in bedrooms, Mayor Adams has pledged to reexamine some of these restrictions. This is nothing like saying that the renovation won't still happen and be the largest in the United States. It just means that there will be challenges in the future. I suppose the argument is that this is the largest office-to-residential conversion by unit count, and maybe the zoning regulations will require fewer, larger apartments, to compensate the window problem... but I'm still not sold that even in this possible scenario, it's a major problem with the hook. It's just... thought experiment. Suppose a total disaster happens and 25 Water ends up unfinished and abandoned like the Ryugyong Hotel. Then this hook would still be accurate in retrospect, IMO. That would mean that someone tried to do the largest office-to-residential conversion, it was indeed underway circa 2023, but it failed. The same should be true if zoning regulations require reshuffling of how many apartments get stuffed in.
  • I'm open to suggestions, but per above, the hook is accurately describing the current situation as stated in reliable sources, with the usual proviso that we don't have a crystal ball to see the future. But that's true of lots of hooks. SnowFire (talk) 00:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't know how to move forward here. I actually dislike overly promotional hooks myself at DYK but disagree this in particular was a promotional hook (you can't buy condos or rent there yet!). This isn't the kind of meaningless critical babble like "Did you know Some Reviewer said Some Media Work was Totally Badass". There was nothing wrong with the original hook and I don't see a better one. I'll ping Secretlondon again - do you agree with the argument above? If not, what would make this hook qualify in your view to avoid controversy? I stated my case a long time ago above, but if I did find a brave person ready to promote again, I don't want just another trip back to ERRORS. SnowFire (talk) 08:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • The original hook failed at Errors, so I have struck it. Attempting to put it through again simply isn't going to fly, and will result in another trip back to Errors. If another hook cannot be proposed, then this nomination cannot proceed, and will be closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:46, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Epicgenius: Do you want to take over this and propose another hook? I honestly thought this had already closed permanently and didn't realize this was still considered live. I remain utterly baffled that a claim that is barely promotional at all (is number of apartments really a selling point? Wouldn't a promotional hook be more about how luxurious and fantastic it'd be?) is considered promotional, so therefore I'm unable to really fix this, because apparently any fact about the building is promotional or something. If you don't have any ideas either then we can just let it close, but up to you. (I mean, I guess I could go for a negative fact like the criticized windows, but that doesn't appear fair either, or really interesting.) SnowFire (talk) 04:03, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Sure. I can propose something like:
      • ALT2: ... that 25 Water Street was designed to blend in with historic brick buildings that no longer exist? Tauranac, John (1979). Essential New York : A Guide to the History and Architecture of Manhattan's Important Buildings, Parks, and Bridges. Holt, Rinehart and Winston. pp. 226–227.
      • ALT3: ... that parts of 25 Water Street had few windows to make it easier to air-condition computers? Dixon, John Morris (January–February 1970). "Bulwark In Lower Manhattan". Architectural Forum. Vol. 132, no. 1. pp. 62–67.
    • Maybe I can take a stab at expanding the page a bit if these don't work out. Epicgenius (talk) 05:43, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele)

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Created by ElijahPepe (talk). Self-nominated at 18:39, 5 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: ElijahPepe, great work. Thank you for creating this much-needed article on a cultural landmark of the 21st century. I had to check a few times that this article didn't already exist - I struggled to believe it. It is very well written and very well sourced. Onceinawhile (talk) 08:49, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: In the article I am not sure the youtube video should be where it is per MOS:LAYOUT. Also I think we need to attribute the quotes in the hook. Bruxton (talk) 22:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not sure where you're getting either from. The placement of the videos is fine and the quote has been attributed. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 01:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don’t mind re MOS:LAYOUT, but it isn’t a requirement for DYK. The article is up for GA, so should be covered there.
On the quote, it is inline attributed in the article. I don’t think it needs to be inline attributed in the hook, partly because it encourages clicks, but mainly because the statement is “sky is blue”, as most Key&Peele sketches are about this topic. What we could do is reword, remove the quotation marks, and replace the dual identity with a link to the article Double consciousness. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: I mentioned MOS:LAYOUT as FYI. But the quotation in the hook is from the podcast Code Switch. Maybe @Theleekycauldron: can help? Bruxton (talk) 14:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(here by request) NPR is reliable for its opinion, and constitutes due weight, but the hook will need to be attributed :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here is an option...
@Onceinawhile and ElijahPepe: What do you both think? Bruxton (talk) 13:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sounds good. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:19, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK here. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think this hook could use more work. Even within the confines of DYKFICTION, we have secondary analysis of some of the sketch's distinctive quotes:

Qin also highlights the word choice used by Garvey, contrasting his slang with his use of words such as "insubordinate and churlish", "mischievous and deceitful", and "chicanerous and deplorable", the lattermost use of "chicanery" being an attempt to use parallelism.

This is an interesting and famous sketch, but the current hook doesn't even clearly express what it is. Could we experiment with something off the analysis of the sketch's language? Vaticidalprophet 04:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I also gotta scratch my head at the submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Sommer Ray as a QPQ. I know this is annoying, since we assume in good faith that anyone that writes a full review has done one, but not writing a full review (in this case, only the QPQ and hook were checked) can't count, especially when the article was subsequently maintenance tagged. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:31, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'll also throw in my suggestion, the result of workshopping between myself, Vati, and Elijah at different times:
  • ALT1: ... that the Key & Peele sketch "Substitute Teacher" juxtaposes language like "insubordinate and churlish" with slang?
Given that it's a secondary interpretation of the plot, I think it clears the DYKFICTION bar. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Onceinawhile: As the original reviewer, can you evaluate the new ALT hooks above? Z1720 (talk) 18:37, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am not a fan of ALT1, as it is quite tangential to the topic. How about:
  • ALT2: …that the Key & Peele sketch "Substitute Teacher" has been analyzed for its racial commentary and educational insight?
I think it will surprise readers in a positive way. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@ElijahPepe: Thoughts on ALT2? Z1720 (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks good. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

for ALT2 above. Z1720 (talk) 20:49, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 5[edit]

India national football team at the Asian Games

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India national team after defeating South Korea in the final of 1962 Asiad at Senayan Main Stadium, Jakarta.
India national team after defeating South Korea in the final of 1962 Asiad at Senayan Main Stadium, Jakarta.

Created by Drat8sub (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/India national football team at the Asian Games; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @Drat8sub: You have waited a long time for this to be reviewed, so I apologize on behalf of the community that it took as long as it has for someone to pick up this DYK nomination for review. You're good without a QPQ as I take it on good-faith that this is your first nom. You far exceeded the minimum size requirement and got the nom in before a week had elapsed following the publication of the article. The article is well-sourced; I did not do a GA-level review of the sources but my spot-checking suggests that you've done a good job. The images, by nature of their age and Indian law, all appear to be in the public domain (that I did check more thoroughly). The biggest issue is a minor one, but one that will temporarily stall the nom: Earwig picked up some issues with using the same terminology as one source (see here). Just rephrase those sentences so that they aren't identical with the source and I think I'll be able to approve! ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pbritti:, I've rephrased the copyvios except this phrase, "...towards the end of 1980". I don't know what to write instead. Rest all, I think is ok. Drat8sub (talk) 06:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pbritti:, hello mate, are you around here? Drat8sub (talk) 13:16, 15 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Due to some access trouble, I'm going to mark this as an AGF approval, but I think it's good to go! Nom'd image is also approved. Failed to address that earlier, if it was present in my initial review. ~ Pbritti (talk) 16:25, 15 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Pbritti:, thanks for the review. Is there anything needed from my end for the process to complete or it is automatically be done by any admin ?
  • Drat8sub, the prose of the article is fairly low-quality. There are numerous grammatical/spelling mistakes, and many instances of MOS:WTW. Please consider improving the article, either by yourself or with the help of WP:GOCE. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29:, thanks for the review. I've have corrected all the spelling mistakes and some of the grammatical mistakes. However, for DYK, the article need not to go through GOCE which is primarily for a GA or FA which I don't intend to do right now but I have a plan for that too. Again, for DYK, GA or FA is not required. Since you have improved many article to GA and FA, I can sense your intention of improving article to the best quality and I assure I will do so but after the DYK. I want to point out, the nomination follows all the criteria per WP:DYKRULES, improvement of the article to a quality article like GA and FA is the objective or aim of DYK per WP:DYKAIM, not the requirement. Thank you. Drat8sub (talk) 13:46, 2 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Drat8sub, having promoted hundreds of articles, most of which were not even GA standard, I am aware that GA and FA is not required for DYK. However, per WP:DYKCOMPLETE, there is an expectation that articles should be presentable. At a glance, the article has an issue with missing out or unnecessarily including definite articles (e.g. at midpoint, since been the part of every edition, As per draw, the winner of Iran versus Burma match, earned the praise, becoming first ever Asian Champion, Hong Kong was third seeded team, etc.).
There are also numerous tense mistakes, grammatical errors and instances where the prose is unclear (e.g. but sanction was taken in advance from FIFA, who lobbed the ball with in six yard box towards Mewalal who shoot the ball, But Indian forward dou, who took a scorching shoot, this time Venkatesh made the ball in possession of Mewalal who shoot the ball, and full packed stadium of 25,000 spectators, three definite goal shot, the draws for the Football tournament, Idonesia, will participate...will play...is increased...would be played, Japan's only managed two, However, o 3 May 1954, which resulted India's early exit from the tournament, etc.).
And I have only seen up to the end of the 1954 section.
I know that if I promoted this article to the queue in this state, I would be excoriated at WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS—hence, I suggested you ask GOCE, which is not solely for GA/FA assessments, or a copyeditor to improve the prose. I hope you see my reasoning. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:48, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, fine...I'm requesting at GOCE. Will let you know once the article is refined. Drat8sub (talk) 17:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 7[edit]

Siege (Roman history)

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Reconstruction of the fortifications of Caesar's army at Alesia
Reconstruction of the fortifications of Caesar's army at Alesia

Created by Manoru007 (talk). Nominated by JeBonSer (talk) at 11:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Siege (Roman history); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

ALT1: Did you know that siege warfare (pictured) was a common tactic used by the Romans during their conquest in all parts of the Mediterranean region? Source: G.Cascarino, L'esercito romano. Armamento e organizzazione, Vol. II - Da Augusto ai Severi, p.265.</ref> JeBonSer (talk | sign) 05:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article created on September 1st, nominated within 7 days. Long enough and passes Earwig's Copyvio. The first few sentences in the lead aren't sourced and aren't in the article otherwise, per WP:leadcite, you will want to fix that. I don't actually see the ALT1 explicitly stated in the article - I'd like to see that if we are to use it. It's not the most interesting alt. May I suggest:

ALT2 ...that the Romans used siege warfare but believed it was an inferior form of combat. Source: https://factsanddetails.com/world/cat56/sub408/entry-6357.html

This Alt stems from a one of the sentences that's missing a source.
* Is your QPQ complete?

Thanks for the hawkeyes, @Hawkeye7:. Annwfwn (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging @JeBonSer:. Annwfwn (talk) 14:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@JeBonSer: Ahhh I apologize, I completely missed the QPQ. The article looks great with the changes that you made. Thoughts on the hook? Annwfwn (talk) 00:45, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good to go for the suggested hook. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 09:53, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@JeBonSer, Annwfwn, and PrimalMustelid: thanks for the good hook! Unfortunately, we're a bit away from the Main Page right now. I'm seeing a decent number of unsourced paragraphs, and the hook is sourced to factsanddetails.com (not really the caliber of source i'm looking for). Could these be cleared up first? Thanks :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 00:06, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 13[edit]

SPICES (Scouting)

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Created by Bogger (talk). Self-nominated at 14:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/SPICES (Scouting); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • I am afraid this article requires additional work, Bogger. Although it is technically long enough, much of it is due to the lead, which summarizes the rest of the article; and a section has been tagged as incomplete since September. Furthermore, I am concerned about the sources: for example, I do not see where citation #4 verifies the sentence. The article relies almost exclusively on sources which are not "independent of the subject", which throws into question the subject's notability and the article's neutrality. Surtsicna (talk) 22:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bogger: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Surtsicna:I've removed the incomplete template, and added more sources. Happy to let this nomination go due to the sources being two dependent/inter-related. Thanks for the review -Bogger (talk) 11:07, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 17[edit]

Mel Bartholomew

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A basic, 4x4, 16-unit square-foot garden
A basic, 4x4, 16-unit square-foot garden

Created by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mel Bartholomew; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General eligibility:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Green tickY
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was nominated on 27 Sep, which I think is ten days after it was moved to mainspace, but I'm prepared to let it through if the promoter agrees to bend the rules.

  • Sources - all good, taking the NYT ones on AGF as I cannot read them. Reference 5 needs tidying up, it is a bare URL and needs converting to cite news template or similar, with a date.
  • "Square" of square foot gardening has been capitalised in places in the article - it shouldn't be, going by the style in the linked article about it (and therefore also needs lowercasing in hook).
  • Hook - I was actually able to read the paywalled NYT ref through Earwig (forgot about that as a trick!) but it reports the quote as "I garden with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheel barrel". That's a bit odd (I've never heard of a wheel barrel) but is apparently a common mistake in English according to Google so is possibly an accurate quote....can you confirm if original article says wheel barrow or barrel?

Otherwise all good, and I find the GIF eye-catching. DrThneed (talk) 06:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC) DrThneed (talk) 06:52, 27 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Thriley: Have the above been addressed? Z1720 (talk) 18:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am going to make a new hook that flows a bit better. Thriley (talk) 03:25, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thriley: Have you been able to propose that new hook yet? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:00, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ALT1 that Mel Bartholomew, who developed the time-saving Square foot gardening method, said that he gardened "with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow"? Thriley (talk) 12:12, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Source: "He said of his philosophy, “I garden with a salad bowl in mind, not a wheelbarrow.”"Reply[reply]

Have you fixed other issues noted in my review, Thriley? The s of square foot should not be capitalised (affects hook) and a ref format needs fixing. Otherwise OK. DrThneed (talk) 08:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thriley: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yup. All has been fixed up. Thriley (talk) 01:00, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on September 18[edit]

Shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman

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  • ... that six years after Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her mother and a judge friend both committed suicide? Source: But on Aug. 10, 2022, Connie Land committed suicide with a single bullet ending her misery. Then, on Jan. 20, Andress-Tobiasson, 55, joined her friend in death when she shot herself at her $2 million Vegas mansion. [3]
    • ALT1: ... that after Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her family publicized the unsolved case on digital billboards? Source: Since the killings, the Land family has spoken to local and national reporters, and even placed Sydney’s portrait on electronic billboards in the Las Vegas area. [4]
    • ALT2: ... that a Las Vegas judge who was forced to resign over her involvement in the investigation of the shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman later committed suicide? Source: A former Las Vegas judge who resigned from her elected position in 2021 to settle a state ethics and discipline investigation has died, according to authorities. The Clark County coroner’s office confirmed Saturday that Melanie Andress Tobiasson, 55, died Friday from a gunshot wound. The coroner ruled the death a suicide, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. [5]
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Selene Mahri
    • Comment: Although I submitted 3 hooks, I support the promotion of either ALT0 or ALT2, being that they appear to be more compelling than ALT1. On second thought, I think each hook has its merits, so I have no preference. StonyBrook babble 14:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Created by StonyBrook (talk). Self-nominated at 05:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shootings of Sydney Land and Nehemiah Kauffman; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Article meets new requirements at the time of nomination and is long enough. Citation is verifiable and I see no glaring errors in the article. Good work! I recommend ALT0, but suggest changing the details a bit to specify that the judge was related to the case (which makes the events more shocking): "that six years after Sydney Land was shot to death together with her boyfriend, her mother and a judge involved with the case both committed suicide?" Panini! • 🥪 19:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks for that review Panini! Based on your input, may I propose the following for ALT0, with slight stylistic changes (feel free to provide any additional feedback): ... that six years after Sydney Land and her boyfriend were shot to death, both her mother and a judge friend who got involved in the investigation committed suicide? StonyBrook babble 08:11, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Approve the modified alt. Kudos for tackling such a subject! Panini! • 🥪 19:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @StonyBrook, Panini!, and AirshipJungleman29: This one got bumped back at errors – ping when issues are resolved :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:36, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Theleekycauldron, Panini!, and AirshipJungleman29: per the feedback at errors, I went ahead and excised the deprecated sources from the article, and modified the text to reflect existing sources. If you examine the above diff, you will see that I also added some information, such as regarding the manner of death, and related events that occurred on October 8. Regarding problems raised with the hook, may I suggest the following modification to ALT0, which is also under the character limit: ... that six years after Sydney Land and her boyfriend were shot to death, both her mother and a judge friend who took an interest in the investigation were found dead of gunshot wounds? StonyBrook babble 03:00, 8 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @StonyBrook: I would venture that the Toronto Sun is, as a sensationalist tabloid, also not a reliable source. I'd also be concered about whether the incident is notable if it doesn't have significant non-local coverage in RSes, but one thing at a time. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:41, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@StonyBrook: Please address the Toronto Sun concern above. Z1720 (talk) 01:26, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
While I am not from Canada, it is not at all clear to me that TS should be characterized as a tabloid instead of simply as a broadsheet. I don't think it would be correct to place it in the same basket as the British tabloids. After reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 265 § Is Toronto Sun a reliable source?, I don't see any indication there that TS cannot be used for regular news reporting. There is probably a good reason why TS is not listed at WP:RSP, and not even mentioned at WP:THESUN for that matter. And most of the facts presented in this source have been reported in other sources cited in the article. StonyBrook babble 05:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on September 20[edit]

Wad el-Mahi

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Created by FuzzyMagma (talk) and Chomik1129 (talk). Nominated by FuzzyMagma (talk) at 19:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wad el-Mahi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment: I believe the temperature conversion is incorrect, the conversion is basing this off is when 1 degrees Celsius is the atmospheric temperature but the difference between 1 C and 2 C is not 34 F. 34 F is simply when the temperature is 1 C, so this should probably be adjusted. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
good catch. Fixed FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
works for me FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: While I would very much like to review this and pass it, I'm not happy abut the sourcing, the lack of secondary source coverage about the "locality" (what is it, an area, a town, a city), and the fact that this article wouldn't have qualified for DYK if content from 2022–2023 Blue Nile clashes wasn't added, although it is debatable if that article was used at all, as the content is rewritten entirely to seem fresh and different. So let's assume that this meets WP:DYKLEN, we have 1122 char. about the Blue Nile State and 1188 char. about this topic, even though the material from the Blue Nile appears to have been fully rewritten. Like I said, I want to pass this, but seeing the statistics and the lack of secondary sources, I would probably fail this even if it meets the letter of WP:DYKLEN. What would make me change my mind is to see more content and sourcing about the "locality" (whatever that means). And let's be clear, if it has 100k people living there, it's a certainty that a lot more can be said about this place. What kind of food/dishes/cuisine/specialties are they known for? What are the local religions? Do they have a notable form of music or dance? What is the local industry, agricultural products, and types of cattle raised? Handicrafts and entertainment, such as games, leisure, and recreation? Were there or are there now, native flora and fauna? Famous archaeological sites of interest? Museums? What is the locality known for most of all, historically? Viriditas (talk) 23:54, 23 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Viriditas: thanks for the review and your questions are really good questions to ask, and I truly wish that I can write about the place culture and include more information about that region beside war but I could not find resources about the locality's culture online. I hope this changes in the future FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Issues above have been addressed. Recent copyedits fixed additional issues. Article was moved from draftspace and submitted at DYK, and while it met the bare threshold for length at the time of the nomination, I feel that the recent expansion brought it well over that threshold, exceeding the bare requirements for DYK. The sourcing meets these requirements, and the article is neutral and copyvio-free. Earwig did identify minor close wording that is difficult to avoid, and while it probably didn't need to be rewritten, I did so anyway just to be safe, in case there were any future objections. The hook is cited from the source, which I checked, and the temperature conversion problem noted above was fixed. Map image is freely licensed and the QPQ was completed. Either ALT0 or ALT1 are fine. Commentary: As both an editor and a reader, I appreciate the time and energy FuzzyMagma puts into Africa-related topics. When I first started editing, I tried to work in this subject area and found it one of the most challenging. Thank you again for sticking with it. Viriditas (talk) 20:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reopening per WT:DYK#Temperature -- a new hook is needed. This has been bumped twice (queue to prep, then another prep) and the WTDYK conversation has stalled. Pinging participants: Art LaPella, Viriditas, FuzzyMagma, Chomik1129, AirshipJungleman29, Schwede66. Vaticidalprophet 22:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Vaticidalprophet, FuzzyMagma previously proposed ALT2: ... that a large amount of hashish, known locally as "bango", was seized in Wad el-Mahi in 2023?" Source. I think it checks out. Viriditas (talk) 23:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@BlueMoonset: I am the nominator who suggested the hook in the talk here and Viriditas is the reviewer, so you don’t need an additional one FuzzyMagma (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FuzzyMagma, as Viriditas did not complete their review with a tick, we need someone to do a review and, if it's ready, pass both hook and the nomination. Hence my request. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Regrettably, given the close paraphrasing issues raised at WT:DYK#coda, which have not yet been addressed, it would be premature to call for a reviewer at this time. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 24[edit]

Die Kuranten

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5x expanded by Kazamzam (talk). Self-nominated at 19:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Die Kuranten; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Not a review, but you might want to link the target article from your proposed hook. Schwede66 19:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Still not a review, but I've been wondering where "Die" in the title comes from. It's a definite article in German, but the Dutch don't use that. I'm wondering whether your reading of this German source somehow convinced you that the title should be Die Kuranten. Because if that's the case, well that's the source of your error / misunderstanding. Schwede66 21:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @Schwede66:, thank you for your comment, I have linked the target article. To your second point, I didn't name or create the article. The Die of the title is the Yiddish definite plural article, although it is more commonly written today as di (Yiddish: די). Given that it's a Yiddish-language paper that seems appropriate, particularly different that the title is Kuranten (a plural noun) and that there are two forms of the publication, one published on Tuesdays and one on Fridays. It is also a title that has been used for the publication in English-language print since, per Google Books, 1985, if not earlier. I don't see how this is pertinent to the scope of the DYK review but I hope this clarifies your misunderstanding. Kazamzam (talk) 01:23, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thanks. The target article is supposed to be linked in bold font. And given that it's a newspaper, it should be in italics, too, as per MOS:NAMESANDTITLES. Good to have clarified that "Die" is a definite article in Yiddish. It's not strictly necessary as part of the DYK review to sort out naming issues, but in a roundabout way, it is. When an article is on the main page, it gets thousands of eyes on it and if it's wrong, somebody will no doubt come along and fix it. Firstly, there's WP:DEFINITE and that suggests that "Die" shouldn't be part of the title. Chances are that someone will move the article while it's on the main page, and that would trigger WP:MPNOREDIRECT. Hence the item would turn up at WP:ERRORS, as only admins can fix redirects on the main page. As such, it's best to ensure that the title is correct before we put something up via DYK. With that in mind, do you believe that the article should be moved?
  • And given that I'm commenting on all sorts of issues, I might as well do a proper review of this nomination. Schwede66 01:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I don't think it needs to be changed given there are exceptions to WP:DEFINITE and one of these is The New York Times. Since the guideline explicitly mentions that newspapers are an exception to this, I think the current title is okay. I will double check in the archival material to confirm and get back to you. Thank you for your other suggestions and for being thorough. Kazamzam (talk) 01:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • It's absolutely not a problem to leave it the way it is. In that case, I will move-protect it for the time that it's on the main page – problem solved. Schwede66 02:40, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Expansion started yesterday and the article has gone from a short paragraph to a lot of prose; it's plenty long enough. The language is neutral. Referencing is not sufficient; I have tagged all paragraphs that are uncited but there is more content that ought to be referenced apart from those three instances. Earwig is clean. There is one prior DYK credit, hence a QPQ is not required. I cannot sign off on the hook; the source talks about the oldest known Yiddish newspaper in the world whereas the hook says the oldest Jewish newspaper – those are different things. The hook is easy to fix; referencing will require a bit more work. Schwede66 02:37, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thank you for your review. I have added references for each of your tags but I agree there could be more - the majority of the information came from the Pach thesis (2014) and I didn't want to over-cite the same source but there are limited references because it's such a niche topic. I will continue working on this throughout the week.
The question of 'oldest Yiddish' vs. 'oldest Jewish' is contentious, but I think the sentence I have moved to the lede and the accompanying references make an argument for why this is the case, as opposed to Gazeta de Amsterdam. That is the oldest Yiddish publication is, as far as I have seen, undisputed in the scholarly literature and I am fine updating the hook to reflex that as more neutral language that would not be disputed. Kazamzam (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The way we deal with DYK hooks is that we propose alternatives as ALTx. If you’ve got a different wording in mind, please write it down as ALT1. Don’t amend hooks previously proposed. Schwede66 15:21, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kazamzam: Do you have any ALT hooks you would like to propose below? Z1720 (talk) 19:56, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kazamzam: has not responded to the ping above, even though they have been editing on Wikipedia. I am marking this as rejected unless they or another editor wishes to proceed with this nomination and propose additional hooks below. Z1720 (talk) 17:31, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Z1720:: thank you for your message. I would like to keep the hook as the original 'oldest Jewish newspaper' as I feel that this is supported by the references currently in the article. Is it possible to keep the submission with the original hook, particularly if I include more references?

I will say that, while I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner to your original ping, I was rather put off from continuing with this nomination by the comments above which were quite condescending. It seemed to imply that I didn't know basic information (i.e. the correct definite article) about the topic that I was proposing for a DYK despite having done hours of research and reading on it which the reviewer, if I may presume, has not; the mistaken suggestion about WP:DEFINITE, etc. My first experience with DYK for Wagner Natural Area was very positive and the reviewer was really helpful, so it was surprising to get these comments that did not seem intended to improve the article at all. Best, Kazamzam (talk) 18:32, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kazamzam: I have removed the rejected symbol above. I won't comment on the Die concern, but I think the intention was to figure out if it should be included or not. I think the Jewish/Yiddish concern is that the informaiton from the hook does not match the source used to verify the information: This needs to be addressed before this hook can be approved. If any wording is changed from the hook, please do not change the proposed hook above but instead post a new suggestion below as "ALT1" (this helps reviewers follow the discussion. Feel free to ping me if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 19:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When you refer to the comments above which were quite condescending, you can only mean my initial queries. I have looked over that once more and fail to see why that could be perceived as condescending. I asked questions, gave a reason why I asked those questions (I note that in the German source that I quoted, it says "Die Kuranten", i.e. the definite article was not part of the newspaper's name as it wasn't included in italics), and you replied with a good explanation. Problem solved. Isn't that a totally normal part of editor interaction? Schwede66 01:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The very first sentence of the article states that it is a Yiddish-language periodical, not a German or Dutch one. You assumed that I had an "error/misunderstanding" and had been mistakenly convinced by one article, rather than the possibility that you were not familiar with this subject. And that's a surprising assumption to make, given that a) you seem to be unfamiliar with Yiddish definite articles, otherwise the grammar of Die in the title would have immediately be clear and b) I effectively rewrote this article from scratch which would require me to know basic information like the name. If you had asked why the article was Die, rather than assuming right away that I had a misunderstanding about the most basic part of an article I spent hours writing, I would have gladly explained that without any hard feelings. That would have been a totally normal part of editor interaction. Kazamzam (talk) 04:57, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This needs a different reviewer. I won't be signing off on the "oldest Jewish newspaper" claim as I stated above. Somebody else might be happy with the sources. I asked for an ALT hook but nothing's been forthcoming. Schwede66 20:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 26[edit]

The Story Teller (painting)

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Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk). Self-nominated at 08:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Story Teller (painting); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment only - Please convert the money out of just crore, per MOS:CRORE. I suspect this should be "highest-priced modern Indian artwork", and what work is "globally" doing in the sentence? Johnbod (talk) 00:15, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done. Thanks RV (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment: @RAJIVVASUDEV:
    • Convention is to refer to subsequent use of the artist's name as "Sher-Gil". This can be observed in the sources, as well as in Wikipedia:Biography dos and don'ts: "Use full name in the first sentence, and surname after." However, there may be exceptions to this, and if I'm missing it here, let me know. Viriditas (talk) 00:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • You don't refer to years or dates. For one of many examples, you write, The Story Teller set a record as the highest-priced Indian artwork globally. When was this? Also, see the body of the article where you don't mention any time periods. A few examples: in the description section, you don't mention when the setting of the painting was supposed to take place. Is it 1937 as we are meant to assume? Also, you mention that Raza's Gestation set a new record. When was this? Viriditas (talk) 00:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • English Wikipedia generally doesn't use "Overview" sections, as section 0, the lead, is supposed to be an overview. There are many alternative descriptions to choose from. Viriditas (talk) 00:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Although not necessary, as a matter of convenience, it is helpful to provide an external link to the painting somewhere in the article. For example:
      External image
      image icon The Story Teller, 1937, oil on canvas, Private collection
    • Articles like this one say the painting "fetched a staggering $7.45 million". It might be helpful for English Wikipedia readers to see that amount in dollars, such Rs 61.8 crore ($7.45 million) Viriditas (talk) 00:41, 19 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Needs fresh review. Viriditas (talk) 21:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Will review...Whispyhistory (talk) 19:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
New enough, long enough, no copyvio issues. Whispyhistory (talk) 16:50, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Whispyhistory: Is this okay now? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
QPQ provided. The proposed hooks might be okay if they state that the record is price at auction as of September 2023. The article was very focussed on the price. I was pleased to see RAJIVVASUDEV create it, and I have enjoyed reading about the painting.. hence expanded it. Please feel free to adjust or add alts.
ALT2 ... that Amrita Sher-Gil's multimillion dollar painting The Story Teller depicts a man peeping at a baby cow nosing among a group of village women performing menial tasks?
ALT3 ... that The Story Teller by Amrita Sher-Gil, depicting a group of Indian village women performing ordinary tasks, fetched $7.45 million at auction in 2023?
ALT4 ... that The Story Teller is the highest-priced modern Indian artwork to sell at auction in India as of September 2023? based on original hooks Whispyhistory (talk) 07:01, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Whispyhistory: Thanks for the review and the suggested hooks. ALT3 is interesting and also provides the required information. Regards RV (talk) 07:47, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I added commas and a space and "that". Viriditas (talk) 00:06, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New reviewer needed for the ALT hooks proposed above. Z1720 (talk) 01:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 28[edit]

Hoàng Thị Minh Hồng

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Created by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 28 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hoang Thi Minh Hong; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @Chidgk1: New enough and long enough. QPQ present. I think the article needs more prose work as it is awkward in places like you might expect from a translation (three examples below). I am looking at this article and finding the hook uninteresting because it begs the question "how" or "why". More information about Hồng's body of environmental work/activism would really help this hook. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:16, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • "a dynamic local non-profit organization" seems you translated a WP:WEASEL word there
    • Ms. Hồng we don't use "Ms." and "Mr." in this context
    • about the arrest of a well-known environmental campaigner in Vietnam We know who this is; why does this text dance around it?
I will edit the article further - if you or anyone else has suggestions for a better hook I will be glad to hear them Chidgk1 (talk) 18:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • Hmm... The structure of the article makes a good hook hard because there's things that would be BLP vios in a hook and things that would be really puffy. Maybe maybe... I can't verify this as a hook as the source is in Vietnamese. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1: ... that environmental activist Hoàng Thị Minh Hồng was the first Vietnamese person to set foot in Antarctica?

@Sammi Brie: I don't have any Vietnamese either. I have added a little more about Hồng's body of environmental work/activism as you suggested. How about

ALT2: ... that Hoàng Thị Minh Hồng's environmental activism inspired Barack Obama? Source: In 2018, U.S. President Barack Obama described Hong as one of the young people worldwide who inspired him https://apnews.com/article/vietnam-climate-activist-prison-jailed-5f18dcbcbc839de4c479c475b8b552f6
@Sammi Brie: Another ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No wonder I missed it, it was a ping without a timestamp. I am...not happy with the way this article reads still. It's just not Main Page-ready, even if one of the hooks (I prefer ALT1) is workable. It needs a copyedit, preferably from someone familiar with the Vietnamese original. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK I will do a copyedit - ping me if I have not done it in 3 or 4 days. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:44, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sammi Brie: I have copyedited and changed a couple of Vietnamese cites for English. If there is anything else I should do please let me know. Chidgk1 (talk) 14:32, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I am...still chewing. The prose is fine. But the hook fact is the next concern. I'm going to leave this for someone else to see if ALT1 in particular is workable. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:36, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on October 1[edit]

Sealord Group

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Created by Panamitsu (talk). Self-nominated at 22:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sealord Group; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Source: https://www.tpk.govt.nz/en/mo-te-puni-kokiri/kokiri-magazine/kokiri-31-2015/sealord
—Panamitsu (talk) 09:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • ALT2:
"... that New Zealand fishing company Sealord Group is half owned by 57 iwi?"
—Panamitsu (talk) 04:50, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not really sure if the hook as currently written is interesting to a broad audience but I'll leave this to another reviewer. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - See below
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hello @Panamitsu: I'm happy to take over this review 🙂 Overall, the article has no issues I could find in terms of DYK requirements and reads well, so the only (minor) issue I have is with your hook. ALT1 is my favorite, but could you re-word the end a little bit? I don't know if it's just me, but "through 57 iwi" reads kind of odd. Maybe you can take out the "57" or reword it somehow else? Once you decide, I have no problem with passing, cheers! Johnson524 16:26, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh yup, the hook doesn't flow the best. I'll create another hook later, thanks! —Panamitsu (talk) 20:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on October 2[edit]

Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon

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  • ... that Michael Lewis accused the author of a competing book of "trying to torpedo" Going Infinite, comparing the rival author to accused fraudster Sam Bankman-Fried? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/06/business/michael-lewis-going-infinite.html In a new book about the crypto bubble, Zeke Faux, a Bloomberg investigative reporter, recounts watching Mr. Lewis “fawning” over Mr. Bankman-Fried during an onstage interview at the Crypto Bahamas conference in 2022. (Reviewers, including at this paper, have compared the two books, giving the advantage to Mr. Faux.) When I mentioned this anecdote over lunch, Mr. Lewis leaned forward. “Here you have a person who’s written a book, and he’s trying to torpedo a rival book before it comes out?” he said. “That’s shocking. Talk about corrupt! So who do I think is more skeevy, Sam or him? I’d have to think about that.”

Created by Thriley (talk). 5X expanded by Coretheapple (talk). Nominated by Coretheapple (talk) at 21:15, 6 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @Coretheapple: Thank you for nominating! Would a link to Number Go Up in the hook be a good idea? Or is it not worth it as it’s just a stub? Thriley (talk) 21:22, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Good idea. I didn't notice that stub. Added. Coretheapple (talk) 22:52, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The current hook is 230 characters, way over the limit of 200. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 01:03, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Fixed now, I think. Coretheapple (talk) 13:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, it's 198 now. Thanks for taking care of it. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 14:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I've added myself as second author based upon my writing most of the current text. This is the first time I've nominated an article I've expanded that was recently authored by someone else, so kindly advise if I've handled that correctly. Coretheapple (talk) 17:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Everything was handled correctly. You nominated the article less than a week after it was created. Thriley (talk) 04:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thanks. I wasn't clear, as I think this may have been the first time I ever nominated a new article that I hadn't created myself. Coretheapple (talk) 16:35, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dan Fable

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5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 2 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dan Fable; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Launchballer, I am not reviewing this but I have some suggestions. I would recommend Wikilinking Joinery because this seems to be a British term that might not be universally known. I would also recommend a different more interesting hook like: ALT1: ... that after spending time in prison as a youth, Dan Fable built his own recording studio and started his own record label? This is because just building your own recording studio, while interesting, doesn't mean much if nothing was done with it. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 12:04, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT2: ... that in 2017, Dan Fable opened a videography company offering two live music videos and a photoshoot for £100?
ALT3: ... that Dan Fable started singing in prison?
ALT4: ... that Dan Fable had to complete "Low Down" very quickly after Venbee uploaded part of it online?--Launchballer 12:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sufficiently recent expansion at the time of nomination, just past the DYK length threshold. No DYK-eligibility issues (but could use a little copyediting -- is "got into" music the right tone?). ALT3 and Hickory's ALT1 are the best hooks by a significant margin, imo. Minor query: does "on a conveyer belt" mean the use of a literal conveyer belt to record somehow? Vaticidalprophet 09:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've taken the liberty of renumbering my ALT1 so that it is now ALT4 just because "ALT1" was already taken. I meant conveyor belt figuratively, but for clarity I've taken it out. Also changed "got into" to "became interested in".--Launchballer 19:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Launchballer, Vaticidalprophet, and AirshipJungleman29: I've pulled this hook; I'm not sure this article passes NSINGER as written, and have sent it to AfD. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:37, 4 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Launchballer: Can you please address theleekycauldron's concerns above? Z1720 (talk) 01:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The article is still at AfD, at which I said my piece. I do know I chucked virtually every reference I could find at this, so unless there's an offline bonanza I'm not aware of, this is it.--Launchballer 01:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

Samuel Sparshott, Edward Sparshott

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HMS Winchester
HMS Winchester

Moved to mainspace by Storye book (talk). Self-nominated at 15:50, 4 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Samuel Sparshott; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Switch Disco, Bou (musician)

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5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 16:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Switch Disco; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Both articles meet the technical requirements for DYK. I didn't find any close paraphrasing for either article, and QPQs have been provided. Switch Disco meets the referencing requirement, but Bou's sampling and it charting needs to be referenced.
My main concern is the hook. I'm not sure if it would be interesting to people unfamiliar with any of the artists mentioned. I've taken a look at both articles and I think there's some potential here for separate hooks for both artists. Particularly in the case of Bou, and how his firing eventually lead to his music career.
If I may, can I propose separate hooks for both Bou and Switch Disco in the meantime?
  • ALT-A: ... that musician Bou went from being fired from an IT apprenticeship for producing beats during company time, to having songs rank on the UK Singles Chart?
  • ALT-B: ... that Switch Disco's song "Everything" saw an 185% increase in its Spotify streams after it was used in the seventh series of Love Island?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Both hooks are fine by me. Bou's sampling and charting were both sourced, though I've added an extra ref before (Dale Smith) just to make it obvious.--Launchballer 05:51, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cool. Since I proposed new hooks another editor will need to sign this off. For now I've struck the original hook, but if the reviewer thinks the original hook is better than either solo hook they are free to unstrike it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:40, 11 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 4[edit]

Kadu Makrani (film), Mulu Manek

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Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 14:51, 4 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kadu Makrani (film); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @Nizil Shah: Please complete the two qpqs as soon as possible. This DYK will be closed as unsuccessful unless this is completed. Z1720 (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Both long enough and new enough. No maintenance templates found, no neutrality issues found, no copyright issues found. QPQs done and images unprovided. ALT0 not acceptable per WP:DYKFICTION - what else do you suggest?--Launchballer 08:13, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 6[edit]

Roman Ratushnyi

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Created by Ата (talk) and Toadspike (talk). Nominated by Toadspike (talk) at 20:05, 14 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Roman Ratushnyi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • This is not a review but a comment, but I would suggest revising the article, as I feel it might not fit NPOV. In particular, the article seems rather laudatory to me. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:52, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ата and Toadspike: Has Narutolovehinata5's concerns been addressed? Is this ready to be reviewed? Z1720 (talk) 01:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi there, I'm not currently able to finish this up, I'm very sorry. I will do it when I can, it will likely be at least a week. Toadspike (talk) 13:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Malayalam softcore pornography

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Created by Thilsebatti (talk). Self-nominated at 06:02, 6 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Malayalam softcore pornography; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • This is not a review, but I have a few comments about the hook. It's a good one, but you'd better cite to the DOI as a scholarly paper, because we otherwise can't be sure of the kibd of source we are dealing with. Secondly, the paper says that The year 2001 marked the high tide of soft porn production, when out of the 89 films released, 57 were soft-porn sizzlers, but this is 64% and not "more than 70%". I also modified the hook so that the "Malayalam cinema" wikilink is less WP:EASTEREGG-like and closer to what a reader will expect to click. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 09:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thilsebatti: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:42, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thilsebatti: This is a reminder to address the above concerns. The nomination may be failed if the issue remains unaddressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: and @Szmenderowiecki:, I have updated the article accordingly. Please do the needful. Thilsebatti (talk) 05:42, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Full review needed, since previous commenters have not returned in two weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Long enough, new enough. ALT0 short enough, cited, and interesting. No maintenance templates found, no neutrality problems found. QPQ unnecessary and image unsubmitted. I'm concerned about plagiarism; in many cases, sentences are almost identical to the source; as an example, "sexuality are at the heart of the film and every other character is insignificant" appears in both films, and so does "of the women in these films are stereotypically […] similar situations where the heroines are […] to be at least 25 years old". I'd like to see these and others addressed.--Launchballer 07:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 8[edit]

Ligue de défense de la race nègre

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  • ... that French Ligue de défense de la race nègre spawned the founding of a German counterpart in 1929? Source: Robbie Aitken (October 2008), "From Cameroon to Germany and Back via Moscow and Paris: The Political Career of Joseph Bilé (1892–1959), Performer, "Negerarbeiter" and Comintern Activist", Journal of Contemporary History, vol. 43, no. 4, pp. 597–616, doi:10.1177/0022009408095417, ISSN 0022-0094
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Created by Denis Barthel (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ligue de Defense de la Race Nègre; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - There's a lot of interesting stuff in this article, but this is not an interesting hook. Organizations often have affiliates in other countries.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Denis Barthel: First of all, thanks for writing about a neglected area of history like this! With some copy-editing and a bit more detail about the main French chapter, I think this could be a GA. As to the two matters at hand: The copyright issue is an easy fix. And if you're looking for a new hook, might I suggest

ALT2: ... that a founder of the Ligue de défense de la race nègre created a successor group free of dogmatic communism, and was then expelled by dogmatic communists who took over?

-- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 06:03, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Tamzin: - thank you very much for your encouragement. I have fixed the copyright issue and I would like to suggest as a new hook (based on the former):

ALT3: ... that the French Ligue de défense de la race nègre spawned the first political organisation of Black Germans in 1929?

Please let me know, if that works. Thank you! Denis Barthel (talk) 14:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Denis Barthel: I think that works, yes, although I think it might be better without the "in 1929", and "spawned the founding" may be redundant... I would think either "spurred the founding" or simply "spawned". But I'll leave that to the promoter. with slight copy-edit. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 00:31, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! I deleted "the founding of" and hope this is fine now. Denis Barthel (talk) 10:07, 1 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Needs a new hook after discussion at Errors. Schwede66 23:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't have any ideas left and as I oppose ALT2 as it focuses on communism instead it's historic importance of early anti-colonialism, there is no hook available any more. I'd appreciate any ideas, else I guess this is just not right for DYK. Thanks for your efforts though, Denis Barthel (talk) 14:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC) P.S.: ALT1 has been struck though it is well sourced and mentioned in the article (beside this is not as common as Tamzin stated, neither in the anti-colonial movement nor in general at the time). Maybe it could be reconsidered? Denis Barthel (talk) 14:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dalí Atomicus

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Salvador Dalí jumping while three cats fly through the air Dalí Atomicus (1948)
Salvador Dalí jumping while three cats fly through the air
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Unretouched version of Dalí Atomicus, with wires visible Dalí Atomicus, unretouched
Unretouched version of Dalí Atomicus, with wires visible
Dalí Atomicus, unretouched
  • ... that before photographer Philippe Halsman decided to photograph three cats flying through the air (pictured), surrealist artist Salvador Dalí had wanted to blow up a duck with dynamite?
    source: https://archive.today/20231008234446/https://news.artnet.com/art-world/tiktok-cancel-salvador-dali-2313418
    ... a collaboration between Dalí and the photographer Phillippe [sic] Halsman, in which three cats are seen flying through the air .... "Dalí said, 'I have an idea. Let's take a duck and put some dynamite up his derriere and blow him up.' And my father said, 'Oh you can't do that. You're in America. You might get arrested,'" Irene Halsman recounted ....
    • reviewed: mourning stationery
    • comment:
      i declare that i am not aware of having any conflict of interest with dalí atomicus.
      i'm not sure if a descriptive caption would be better than one that simply stated the name of the work, so have provided a few alternatives for discussion.
      i did not provide links to the articles on the artists as that seems to be the current practice at dyk.
      the unretouched version appears to be in the public domain, as noted by the library of congress here. i believe the final version is too, as it was printed in life with a copyright notice ("© 1948 PHILIPPE HALSMAN"), and i found no evidence here that halsman renewed the copyright.
      i am admittedly still working on the article, but wanted to nominate it before the deadline passed.

created by dying (talk). self-nominated at 23:45, 15 October 2023 (UTC).Reply[reply]

  • I shall have a look. Schwede66 00:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Created seven days ago and nominated today, i.e. that's just on time. Neutral. Suitably referenced. Earwig is clean. The problem is that the article is a stub with hardly any prose (385 B) and a very long off the 1,500 B that is set as the minimum for DYK eligibility. Hence, short of a major expansion, this nomination will have to be rejected. The other problem is that the hook fact does not appear in the article! Schwede66 00:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    apologies, Schwede66! i've already done the research to expand the article to the appropriate length, but am still typing it up. i just wanted to nominate the article before the deadline, as i mentioned above. (i admittedly ended up spending entirely too much time researching whether halsman renewed the copyright.) i should have the article properly expanded within a day, at which point it should include the hook fact. is that alright? dying (talk) 01:01, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Sure; that'll be fine. I suppose I reviewed it "as is". Schwede66 01:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Schwede66, i have now expanded the article. please let me know if you encounter any issues. thanks for your patience! dying (talk) 23:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • What a great article. Thoroughly enjoyed reading that one! Earwig appears to be down. Otherwise, the article now passes all the required checks. A minor content issue is that the two photos are described as being side-by-side, but on any of the three screens that I've checked (cellphone, laptop, big screen), they are on top of one another – please fix the caption. QPQ has been done. Hook is certainly interesting and the hook fact is referenced. The other snag is that the main photo is currently up for deletion; I suggest we park this until that issue has resolved itself as it's certainly a strong contender for a lead hook. Schwede66 02:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    thanks, Schwede66! i'm glad you enjoyed reading it. yes, i agree that the nomination should be put on hold due to the deletion discussion.
    also, thanks for pointing out the caption issue! i completely forgot about the possibility that one photo could appear above the other instead of next to it. i was trying to figure out if replacing "(left)" with "(left or top)" would be appropriate when i realized that there was actually no need to state that the photos were juxtaposed to allow for easy comparison, as this should be self-evident.
    i believe i've now reformatted the gallery so that it is platform independent. please let me know if this is not the case. dying (talk) 15:59, 18 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Earwig is clean. Caption is resolved. Dying, could you please keep an eye on the deletion discussion and give me a ping when that's been resolved? Schwede66 17:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    of course, Schwede66. dying (talk) 17:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Schwede66, Dying: Commons deletion discussions routinely take several months. Given that fact and that there's a definitely-PD image, is there a preference to run the PD version or to wait it out? Vaticidalprophet 06:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Halsman took the photo in 1948, so what's a few more months? It's such an incredible photo; in my view, this should definitely be the lead hook. Hence my preference is to wait it out. Schwede66 07:19, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To be clear, the former version of the photo is unambiguously in the public domain (and is a featured picture on Commons). The retouched version with the brighter tones is the one to which the DR applies. This can be approved now and run as an image hook. Vaticidalprophet 16:07, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i'm in no rush, and don't mind waiting it out. also, as the unretouched version has previously appeared on the main page, i think it would be nice to give the final version a chance to be featured on the main page as well. dying (talk) 17:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Doreen Virtue

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Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 22:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Doreen Virtue; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • I remember looking into whether Virtue could have an article a couple years ago -- interesting to see she does now! I'm concerned, though, about the blog source (One Grounded Angel) in a BLP. The WRSP is also a little iffy (it's CESNUR-affiliated), though my source highlighter is probably wrong to call it red -- RSN discussion is inconclusive and leans that both it and CESNUR being listed as red is wrong. The hook could use some copyediting ("born-again Christian" is better rendered that way), and the article jumps around somewhat in a difficult-to-follow way; there's a rapid leap from her being raised Christian and attending a nominally Christian university, to her many years as a New Age author, with no explanation of the series of events here. Can anything be filled in? Vaticidalprophet 10:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Edwardx, just a reminder of this. I've been thinking about the article's discussion of her books too -- it's a bit sparse, even for DYK. Virtue was a big deal, and a fair amount of her work has had semi-mainstream impact (e.g. the concept of angel numbers, which have a lot of mainstream coverage these days). A QPQ is also still needed. Vaticidalprophet 18:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Comment: Could New Age and born-again Christian be linked in the hook? Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done Whispyhistory (talk) 11:23, 29 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Edwardx:'s last edit was in October, and there are still concerns listed above. Unless they come back or someone is willing to adopt this nomination, this is liable to be closed. Z1720 (talk) 01:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pinging Whispyhistory if they're willing to adopt this given that they regularly collaborate with Edwardx. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you @Narutolovehinata5:... I have nothing more to add on this one. Whispyhistory (talk) 03:57, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Shukusei!! Loli Kami Requiem

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  • ... that the initial lyrics to "Shukusei!! Loli Kami Requiem" were "as painful as hitting someone with concrete"? Source: https://febri.jp/topics/shigureui1/ "コンクリートで殴るくらい痛そうな歌詞を「すごく面白いんですけど……」って相談して、豆腐ぐらい柔らかい表現にしていただいたのが今の歌詞です（笑）。"
    • ALT1: ... that "Shukusei!! Loli Kami Requiem", while popular among the youth, has been noted to be reminiscent of earlier Internet culture? Source: https://magazine.tunecore.co.jp/inspirations/328796/2/ "TikTokを通じて若年層リスナーの心を掴んだ「粛聖!! ロリ神レクイエム☆」だが、もう一つのターゲットが存在することも見逃せない。それはサービス開始からまもないころのニコニコ動画や、それ以前のネット文化に親しみ深いリスナー。あるいは、“インターネット老人会”と表現するのが手っ取り早いだろうか。"
    • Reviewed: 2nd DYK nomination
    • Comment: This is a viral denpa song with dark lyrics. The articles heavily relies on Japanese sources.

Created by Lol1VNIO (talk). Self-nominated at 20:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shukusei!! Loli Kami Requiem; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • This isn't strictly a review of the article's eligibility for DYK, but rather to point out the elephant in the room suitably of this article to appear on the front page. The subject of the article is, according to the categories, a "song about criminals" and a "song about sexual assault", and as such we must exercise extreme caution approaching this topic before even thinking about featuring it on the main page for the world to see. I am not convinced that the current article sufficiently addresses an important topic regarding the reception of the song, that is, to speak plainly, the tension between the popularity of this viral hit and the awkwardness of its subject matter now broken out of its subcultural circles. There are reliable sources that addresses this issue that were not incorporated into this article, a partial translation of the Japanese Wikipedia article, for example, those that describe the controversies surrounding select companies and celebrities who ill-advisedly chose to feature the song on their social media. _dk (talk) 07:15, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Thank you for your feedback, @Underbar dk: I was reluctant to include the celebrity controversies due to its severe BLP nature. In any case, I have added that and will have the article fully address those issues ASAP. ~~lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 22:31, 20 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As this hasn't been formally reviewed yet. Z1720 (talk) 01:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 9[edit]

Walker Interactive Products

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Created by Wasted Time R (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 14 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Walker Interactive Products; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Firefighter calendar

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An example of a firefighter calendar page
An example of a firefighter calendar page

Created by Di (they-them) (talk). Self-nominated at 04:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Firefighter calendar; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - ?
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article was moved to mainspace within 7 days of nomination. 1800 characters of prose. Earwig picked up 1% of copyright violation, making it unlikely. QPQ done. I'm not entirely sure about the image used; it's an unofficial creation using a free image of a firefighter, but it does illustrate an example. The first paragraph is mostly unsourced, unless the one source at the end of the paragraph is supposed to encompass it. ALT1 is a better hook due to it being more specific but I wonder if you can create another hook that is less subjective. lullabying (talk) 18:38, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks again. Di (they-them) (talk) 19:52, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

      • Thanks for notifying me. What makes Pet Age a reliable source? lullabying (talk) 20:45, 15 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • @Lullabying: The the website says that Pet Age is a company focusing on the animal "supply, merchandising, and service market" and that it "explores current trends", so my assumption would be that it is aware of market trends. Since the majority of paper calendars seem to feature animals, I assume that they are aware of their main competition (being beefcake calendars) and their impact on the market. Considering the fact that the Australian calendar features firefigthers as well as animals, it falls within their purview as well. Di (they-them) (talk) 09:20, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • @Di (they-them): Please respond to the above comment regarding sourcing. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:48, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • Thanks for responding. I would change the hook to "Australian Firefighters Calendar" because the article is talking about a specific calendar being the world's most popular calendar. lullabying (talk) 03:58, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Lullabying: Is this hook ready to be approved? If not, what is still needed? Z1720 (talk) 01:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
              • Sorry for the delay! I knew I was forgetting something. I think this should be fine and good to go. lullabying (talk) 01:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 14[edit]

Perry Hartnett

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5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:16, 20 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Perry Hartnett; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Georgia Twinn

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Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 13:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Georgia Twinn; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on October 15[edit]

Turbo Dismount

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  • ... that Turbo Dismount added a vehicle in reference to Back to the Future Part II called the "LeDorean"? Source: "Update Mondays: 'PewDiePie: Legend Of The Brofist', 'Secret Of Mana', 'Marvel Mighty Heroes', 'Alphabear', And More".
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination.

Created by Captain Galaxy (talk). Self-nominated at 10:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Turbo Dismount; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 16[edit]

John Ernest Adamson

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Created by Llewee (talk). Self-nominated at 11:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/John Ernest Adamson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Harry Crosbie

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Created by Bogger (talk) and SeoR (talk). Nominated by Bogger (talk) at 10:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Harry Crosbie; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN -
    • [6] does not appear reliable as to the year Crosbie bought Kittiwake (seemingly a blog), and [7] does not verify 2008.
    • Neither cited source verifies 2021 as the year that Kittiwake was moved.
  • Neutral: Green tickY
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The "Personal life" section violates WP:BLPNAME. Please remove the names of Crosbie's wives unless they have significance beyond being his wives.

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN -
    • ALT0: Question? Depends on resolution of sourcing issue above
    • ALT1: checkY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN -
    • ALT2: Struck as veering on promotional
    • ALT4: Struck as non-neutral ("saved")
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Bogger and SeoR: A few issues to take care of here. Regardless of the sourcing issue on ALT0, my preference is for ALT1, although I'd recommend unlinking "British Ambassador" and either dropping the comma after "in part" or transposing "for" and "in part". -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 02:06, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Added better sources for actual dates (2007, and 2022) for Kittiwake. Spouse names removed-Bogger (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Tamzin: Happy for slightly adjusted ALT1: ... that Dublin property developer Harry Crosbie received an OBE from the British Ambassador for, in part, entertaining Her Majesty with his showbiz contacts? Source: https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/the-names-crosbie-harry-crosbie-family-man-gets-obe/28821271.html

thanks -Bogger (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on October 19[edit]

Coriantumr (Last Jaredite King), Coriantumr (Son of Omer), Coriantumr (Nephite Dissenter)

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  • ... that the Book of Mormon mentions three men named Coriantumr: the son of Omer, the last Jaredite king, and a Nephite dissenter? Source: Dennis L., ed. (2003). Book of Mormon Reference Companion. Salt Lake City, Utah, USA: Deseret Book. pp. 215-216. ISBN 1-57345-231-9.
    • ALT1: ... that the last Jaredite king, the the son of Omer, and a Nephite dissenter are all featured in the Book of Mormon despite sharing the same name of Coriantumr? Source: Dennis L., ed. (2003). Book of Mormon Reference Companion. Salt Lake City, Utah, USA: Deseret Book. pp. 215-216. ISBN 1-57345-231-9.
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Each of these articles were originally part of a larger article by the name of Coriantumr. I added content and split them into three. The original article now exists as a disambiguation page. The Coriantumr (Son of Omer) article has a notability issues tag, but we believe the article passes notability guidelines; Coriantumr Son of Omer appears in some secondary sources used within the article.

Created by Heidi Pusey BYU (talk). Self-nominated at 23:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Coriantumr (Last Jaredite King); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 20[edit]

Long gu

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Created by Mychemicalromanceisrealemo (talk). Self-nominated at 13:33, 27 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Long gu; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Red XN - Not really despite a mention in the article.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: I would like to give the benefit of the doubt that the sources do say something related to your fact at least, but I need to be able know whether one of the source specifically states the fact relating to that in the DYK nomination. You'll need to state one source in the nomination that supports it. Also, whatever problem there is that someone placed an issue regarding an unclear citation style, you may need to address that as well. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:50, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Mychemicalromanceisrealemo: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Got it. Tryin to make a change :-/ 09:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fred Provo

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Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fred Provo; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on October 21[edit]

LEF – For the New Generation

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  • ... that the party leader of the new Dutch youth political party LEF – For the New Generation has tattooed his party's program points on his forearm? Source: [8]
    • Reviewed:

Created by W.G.J. (talk). Self-nominated at 12:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/LEF – For the New Generation; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @W.G.J.: Hi. This article is 1414 characters readable prose size, which does not include bullet points. It needs to be at least 1500, so some further expansion is needed. Would AGF on hook fact in Dutch (the image is compelling to see). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@W.G.J.: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sammi Brie: @Z1720:, I recently expanded the article a little so it should be above the necessary prose size at the moment. 𝕎.𝔾.𝕁. (chat | contribs) 10:46, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 22[edit]

Buya, Eritrea

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Skull of Madam Buya
Skull of Madam Buya

Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Buya, Eritrea; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • New enough, long enough, and no evidence of copyvio. The things it says are cited, and the references look credible. I am not 100% on saying it's the oldest fossil with human features, since the source supporting that is from 1998; has anything older been found since? Otherwise I am happy with this. jp×g 01:54, 24 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @JPxG and Graearms: As well as the age of the source, it doesn't actually support the claim that this is the oldest fossil with human features – it says with comparatively modern human traits, which has a particular meaning in palaeoanthropology. Both claims are anyway so ambiguous as to be impossible to properly verify, and I don't think we can put either on the main page on the basis of a 25 year-old "news brief" in the AIA's outreach magazine. This needs a new hook at the minimum, but I'm also seeing some problems with close paraphrasing of this source:
    • Source: Until this discovery the earliest known fossils bearing comparatively modern human traits were those of a 600,000-year-old H. heidelbergensis from Bodo, Ethiopia
    Article: Prior to this discovery, the earliest known fossil with human traits was a 600,000 year old Homo heidelbergensis skeleton from Bodo, Ethiopia
    • Source: Excavated between 1995 and 1997 by Ernesto Abbate of the Università di Firenze (Florence, Italy) and an international team of paleoanthropologists, the nearly complete cranium of an adult, along with two pelvic fragments and two incisors, was recovered from ancient lake and river sediments deposited within the primarily volcanic Northern Danakil Formation.
    Article: Buya was excavated between 1995 and 1997 by archaeologist Ernesto Abbate working for the University of Florence alongside a team of Eritrean and Italian paleontologists from the National Museum of Eritrea, the Pigorini Museum, and the University of Florence. They unearthed fragments of the skeleton of the Homo erectus fossil Madam Buya. They were found inside ancient river and lake sediments located within the Danakil Depression.
    • Source: According to Abbate and his team, the skull's long ovoid braincase, wide cheekbones, and massive browridge resemble African H. erectus and H. ergaster.
    Article: It has a oval neurocranium, massive brow ridge, and wide cheekbones. These traits are all characteristics of a Homo erectus fossil.
    I think the article needs a more thorough check for copyvio and sourcing issues. – Joe (talk) 07:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh jeez. Some of these are indeed concerning. I'm going to put this on hold until I have the chance to go through all of the sources personally. jp×g 07:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Joe Roe:@JPxG: I have made some edits to the article in the last few hours. Hopefully, this will fix any close paraphrasing issue. I checked the article with Earwig, and I edited as many things as I could. Earwig now claims that the article has a 2.9% similarity to the text closest to it. Prior to these edits, Earwig detected a 5.7% similarity between the article and the closest source. I have also made changes to the statements cited as examples of close paraphrasing in the article. Some are still relatively similar to the the original sentences from the article, but they should be noticeably different from the original source. Also, I have clarified that they meant modern human features not just hominid features at a few points in the article. Graearms (talk) 16:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Graearms: I still don't think you have the sourcing to support this "earliest modern human" claim. I can't find it repeated in any scientific literature (recent or not), which suggests probably the original claim in Archaeology magazine didn't stand up to scrutiny. Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources_(science)#Basic_advice has some good advice. – Joe (talk) 06:26, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Joe Roe:@JPxG: I have made significant edits to the article. I have removed the claim that it is the earliest known example of such a fossil, however kept notes about it containing both archaic and modern features. I propose a few new hooks.

I don't know what this is doing at WP:DYKNA, but marking as not approved yet. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lou Daukas

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Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lou Daukas; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can tell, both hooks are misleading as he never actually played in the NFL, but rather the AAFC (which later merged with the NFL). As such, neither hook as currently written is accurate. Maybe this would be better then?
ALT2 ... that after his professional American football career, Lou Daukas became a lawyer?
Had to specify it's American football to avoid ambiguity, but it could be shortened/piped to just "football" if desired. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Two issues: 1. the nominator has not responded to the above review, and 2. despite both a ping and a talk page message, a QPQ has not been provided. As such, the nomination is now marked for closure, but may resume if the nominator provides a QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Very sorry for the delay - time's been going by much faster than it feels like for me - I didn't realize it had been this long - I will make sure to get a QPQ and address the issues soon. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Just added QPQ, as for the hook, thanks for noticing that - whoops! - it was the AAFC, so your proposed ALT is good (though maybe something like the following would be a little more interesting?: ALT3 ... that Lou Daukas was a professional football-playing lawyer?). Again, sorry for taking so long. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure if ALT3 works since apparently he became a lawyer after his playing career. Had he been a lawyer while playing American football, ALT3 or some variant may have worked. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:05, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

National War Labor Board (1942–1945)

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  • ... that the tripartite structure of the National War Labor Board helped the United States keep work stoppages to a minimum during World War II? Source: see footnotes 36 and 105 in article
    • ALT1: ... that the "Little Steel formula" was devised by the National War Labor Board, an agency of the U.S. government during World War II, to limit the amount that wages could be increased in any industry? Source: see footnotes 20 and 50 in article, among others
    • ALT2: ... that "maintenance of membership" was the compromise that the National War Labor Board, an agency of the U.S. government during World War II, found regarding the issue of union security? Source: see footnotes 20 and 45 in article
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Rutherford

5x expanded by Wasted Time R (talk). Self-nominated at 16:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/National War Labor Board (1942–1945); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment: From what I can see, this expansion was done very nicely. Nominator expanded the article word count almost 26 fold. — Mugtheboss (talk) 09:54, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on October 24[edit]

Vocalises (Ivanovs)

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  • ... that the Vocalises by Jānis Ivanovs drew upon his childhood experiences as a refugee in World War I? Source: "But the impulse to draw from [Ivanovs'] memories came directly from 'Autumn Song' and the vocalises that followed. More specifically: as a refugee during the First World War, the very young Ivanovs ended up in Vitebsk and Smolensk, where he sang in church choirs as an alto before his voice broke, thus becoming acquainted with the liturgical compositions of the Russian composers Bortnyansky, Tchaikovsky, and Rachmaninoff. From these, presumably, come the resigned chromatic tones that make up half of the color palette of the vocalises." [9]

Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:33, 24 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Vocalises (Ivanovs); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Narutolovehinata5, Give me a few hours. I will try! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:32, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@CurryTime7-24: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Please bear with me. I'll be busy for the next day, but will return with a couple of new ALTs and possibly a little more new material on Saturday (PST). —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 06:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Working on this now. Been held up, but I've not forgotten this DYK nom! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for hanging in there. How about this?

  • ALT1 ... that the Vocalises by Jānis Ivanovs were said to express "a longing for humanity, away from dictatorship, [and] ideological directives" that characterized the Latvian zeitgeist of the 1960s and 1970s? Source: Ibid. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:29, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 25[edit]

Phoenotopia: Awakening

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Created by RagingPichu (talk). Self-nominated at 06:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Phoenotopia: Awakening; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Songs of Muad'Dib

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Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 08:05, 26 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Songs of Muad'Dib; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 26[edit]

Gamze Durmuş

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  • ... that football referee Gamze Durmuş and her husband were together in charge at an official league match that became a historic event in the Turkish football? Source: "MHK, pazar günü TFF 1. Lig’de Ankaragücü ile Gençlerbirliği arasında oynanacak başkent derbisine hakem olarak Burak Pakkan’ı atarken, karşılaşmanın dördüncü hakemi ise eşi Gamze Durmuş Pakkan oldu. Böylece ikili, Türk futbol tarihine karı-koca maç yönetecek ilk hakem ekibi olarak adlarını yazdırdı." (in Turkish) [10]

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 12:47, 2 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Gamze Durmuş; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

The Joy of Music (album)

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Created by Panini! (talk). Self-nominated at 19:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Joy of Music (album); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 30[edit]

Lincoln Fitzgerald

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Moved to mainspace by Bruxton (talk). Self-nominated at 15:52, 4 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lincoln Fitzgerald; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Article is long enough and new enough. No problems with copyright. Images are appropriately licensed (one is fair use).
  • Some of the sources are not WP:RS due to WP:UGC: Ancestry, BillionGraves; these should be replaced with higher-quality sources. RoySmith (talk) 03:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Michael Collins (clarinetist)

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Created by Schminnte (talk). Self-nominated at 22:52, 30 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Michael Collins (clarinetist); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Nothing here is particularly surprising, hookworthy, or interesting to a broad audience. Not all articles are fit for dyk. (t · c) buidhe 09:37, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Buidhe: Would a hook about him being called "one of the best clarinettists walking the planet" work, or not? Is this meant to be a hard rejection of the article? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:48, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I suppose ALT2 works; I'm not really too fond of ALT1 as I think the alliteration may not be too obvious. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm fine with ALT2 if you are. The quote is clearly attributed and backed up by other quotes in the article. I'm usually quite cautious about calling people "one of the best" but seeing as this is backed up in multiple RS it should be fine. Schminnte [talk to me] 11:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I'd be fine with ALT2. Not really a fan of ALT1 (though actually, the order is wrong: the Times hook should be labeled ALT1 and the Riffs hook ALT2 since numbering should be chronological). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure what you mean: I proposed what I've labelled ALT1 in this edit, which was before I added the mock up of ALT2. I think this is right chronologically? Schminnte [talk to me] 15:57, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh never mind, I was misreading the discussion! The lack of timestamps had confused me since ALT2 is mentioned before ALT1 and from what I remembered they were proposed minutes apart. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:56, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Zavodovski Island

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Improved to Good Article status by JoJo Eumerus mobile (talk). Self-nominated at 06:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Zavodovski Island; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - See below in comments.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Obviously, the hook works as it got my eyeballs here! Article improved to GA in time; no copyright vios detected. Minor quibbles: the wikilinking should be revised. The way it is currently presented inadvertently deceives the reader into thinking that they will be lead into an article about the island's smell. The wording of the hook itself is A-OK, but needs to be cited in this nomination as well. QPQ also pending. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:16, 30 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I realize this is asking a lot, but I can't provide a QPQ via phone editing so can I ask that this DYK be kept on hold for a week? WRT the hook, it is sourced in the article and I don't think it's an easter egg - a reader can expect a Zavodovski-related article. JoJo Eumerus mobile (main talk) 07:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, I actually need a QPQ here - I have a lot of DYKs under my main account Jo-Jo Eumerus. JoJo Eumerus mobile (main talk) 07:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, if I can I'd like to donate a QPQ from Template:Did you know nominations/Paroedura maingoka! I really like this hook, thanks for the article. CurryTime7-24 were there any other issues? Fritzmann (message me) 17:03, 2 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fritzmann2002 Absolutely and thank you! The hook itself is fine and needs no revision. Just the wikilink formatting remains the only issue. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You know, like an idiot I didn't remember the donated QPQ and thus wrote this one. I still don't agree that the wikilink is a problem. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:01, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can only speak for myself, but I initially thought the link would lead me to an article about the island's stench or some such because of the way it was formatted. Would love to hear what another uninvolved editor thinks. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is a little bit of a butter cookie tin link. "MMMMmmm cookies, what, black magic supplies? Interesting, but I wanted a cookie." Not all the way to being a total Easter egg link because the fact of the island stinking is in the lead/head of the article. I lean towards not making "stink" part of the link. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 23:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Something like the ALT? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:17, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A Field Guide to Otherkin

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  • ... that A Field Guide to Otherkin is the first book entirely about otherkin, people who consider themselves animals or mythological creatures? Source: Mara-McKay, Nico (6 February 2008). "A Field Guide to Otherkin, by Lupa". Spiral Nature Magazine. Retrieved 24 October 2023.
    • ALT1: ... that the publication of A Field Guide to Otherkin sparked scholarly interest in otherkin, people who consider themselves animals or mythological creatures? Source: Cusack, Carole M (2017). "Spirituality and self-realisation as 'other-than-human': the Otherkin and Therianthropy communities". In Cusack, Carole M; Kosnáč, Pavol (eds.). Fiction, Invention and Hyper-reality. Abingdon, United Kingdom: Routledge. p. 40. ISBN 978-1-4724-6302-9.
    • ALT2: ... that A Field Guide to Otherkin is the first non-fiction book about people who consider themselves animals or mythological creatures? Source: as ALT0
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Hunger (Alexander McQueen collection)
    • Comment: I'm not totally sure how much context is needed here, so I've leaned towards more. Usually I'm a less-context partisan, but the idea itself is unfamiliar enough that it might make or break it. (For similar reasons, I'm not linking "otherkin".) ALT2 is an intentionally evasive phrasing; after further consideration, I think I like it best, though arguably it's less "obviously true" (you can do anthropological work about things that can be understood that way and don't use the otherkin framework). I've also considered some hooks from the work itself, but they become trickier and more compounded when adding context.

Moved to mainspace by Vaticidalprophet (talk). Self-nominated at 04:14, 30 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/A Field Guide to Otherkin; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on October 31[edit]

Rajiv Lochan Temple

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  • ... that the Rajiv Lochan Temple is dedicated to a four-armed form of the Hindu god Vishnu? Source: Cunningham, Alexander (1884). Report Of A Tour In The Central Provinces And Lower Gangetic Doab. Vol. XVII. But the figure is actually one of the common four armed representations of Vishnu himself, with his usual symbols of the club, the discus, the shell, and the lotus
    • ALT1: ... that the Rajiv Lochan Temple is visited by thousands of devotees every year? Source: "By the banks of three rivers". The Hindu. 2016-07-21. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2023-10-31. Every year on Maha Sivaratri, the Rajiv Lochan Kumbhmela is celebrated for thirteen days. Festivities begin at Triveni Sangam on magh purnima and culminate on the day of Sivaratri. Besides thousands of devotees who throng the temple, sadhus congregate at the venue to participate in religious activities and give discourses.
    • Reviewed: None needed (QPQ-exempt nom #2/5)

Created by AmateurHi$torian (talk). Self-nominated at 12:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rajiv Lochan Temple; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing: Red XN -
    • There are no citations for the date of the temple. [13] p. 4 is cited for the date of two inscriptions, but I don't see where it says that. Meanwhile p. 3 does actually date the temple to the 7th or 8th century, so that should probably be cited, unless a more precise source exists.
    • Paragraph 2 of § "Description" is unsourced.
  • Neutral: Green tickY
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - Per the line you quote, a four-armed form of Vishnu is "common", so there's nothing interesting about this hook. Likewise, thousands of devotees visiting a temple isn't remarkable, and if anything seems small. 2,000 a year would be about 6 people a day, even 10,000 only about 30.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: @AmateurHi$torian: Please take care of the sourcing issues identified (or tell me what I've missed). As to the hook, if you added a bit more detail from [14] to the article, you could do something like

ALT2: ... that Rajiv Lochan Temple's construction has been variously attributed to a historical king, a mythical king, and a god?

But that's just one idea. Happy to talk over other hook ideas. P.S.: Should this be at Rajiv Lochan Temple, or just Rajiv Lochan? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|she) 02:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to review this!
  • Fixed sourcing - Added ref for the second paragraph of "Description" section; Also added sources for the date of the temple's construction.
  • "Rajiv Lochan" (lit. lotus eyed) is a name of the deity, so "Rajiv Lochan Temple" is accurate for the page title.
  • As for the hook, ALT2 seems good.

AmateurHi$torian (talk) 10:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 1[edit]

31 October 2023 attack on Jabalia

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Created by Vice regent (talk). Self-nominated at 06:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/31 October 2023 attack on Jabalia; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Just a comment: Isn't killing people the point of an airstrike? We can get better hookiness by mentioning that civilians were killed. Bremps... 19:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can't Catch Me Now, Ballad of a Homeschooled Girl

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Created by MaranoFan (talk). Self-nominated at 08:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Can't Catch Me Now; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Springfield Science Museum

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Converted from a redirect by ForsythiaJo (talk). Self-nominated at 23:01, 1 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Springfield Science Museum; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Regarding the QPQ: reviewer has nom'ed less than 5, so it should be OK. A few quick fixes and I think it should be OK! Gen. Quon[Talk] 21:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@ForsythiaJo: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have done some rephrasing in that section that I believe should fix the problem. :) ForsythiaJo (talk) 04:39, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Malmö school stabbing

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Malmö Latin School, location of the Malmö school stabbing
Malmö Latin School, location of the Malmö school stabbing

Created by Salutations25 (talk). Self-nominated at 11:18, 1 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Malmö school stabbing; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • (not a review) Possible rephrasing, though still wordy:
Also noting that the fact isn't currently mentioned in the article. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:51, 2 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wait, realized it is, my mistake. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:52, 2 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is a bit less wordy:
IceWelder [✉] 12:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I am sorry to say that I am not satisfied with the size of this article. While the text altogether contains 1641 characters, it is only 1195 without the lead - which, of course, summarizes (i.e. repeats) the content of the rest of the article. There is even a section (arguably two) composed of a single sentence. The sources cited offer more than enough information to write a proper article. Furthermore, some of the information (e.g. the murderer's date of birth) is not found in the cited sources. Surtsicna (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Salutations25: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 2[edit]

Junko Ikeuchi

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Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Self-nominated at 00:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Junko Ikeuchi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Carlos Scharff

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  • ... that rubber barons like Carlos Scharff enslaved indigenous populations in the Upper Amazon region during the rubber boom as a workforce for latex collection? Source: Quote published by Peruvian anthropologist Beatriz Huertas Castillo in her 2004 publication "Indigenous peoples in isolation in the Peruvian Amazon", page 53.
    "“Our grandfathers came to work with the masters of this area. Around 500 families came with Carlos Scharff. Manchineri, Cushitineri, Etene, Kudpaneri and Nachineri came. They lived around Las Piedras. The master grouped them together at Curiyacu. They lived some distance from each other in groups. They mixed with other natives who were brought by the master and later they were put to work on the rubber"
    The Scramble for the Amazon and the Lost Paradise of Euclides Da Cunha, by professor Susanna B. Hecht.
    "da Cunha was at pains to let us know, as two of the ethnicities of the thousands of native slaves who were lured by Carlos Scharff and the Fitzcarraldos". Page 482
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: There are alternative ways to write this hook and relay the same information.

Created by Arawoke (talk). Self-nominated at 23:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Carlos Scharff; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]


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Articles created/expanded on November 3[edit]

Triste (film)

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Created by Hinnk (talk). Self-nominated at 00:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Triste (film); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Robert Ballagh

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Artist Robert Ballagh in 2014
Artist Robert Ballagh in 2014
  • ... that Irish artist Robert Ballagh has painted, designed the sets for Riverdance, more than 70 stamps and a full set of banknotes, and taught art in a prison? Source: Aosdana: Robert Ballagh, http://aosdana.artscouncil.ie/members/ballagh (painting, stamps, notes, Riverdance) / Carty, Ciaran (2010). Robert Ballagh: Citizen Artist - p. 53 (art teaching in Portlaoise Prison)
    • ALT1: ... that Irish artist Robert Ballagh had his first major retrospective exhibition in Moscow, and his first Irish retrospective in Dublin's largest department store, Arnotts, rather than a gallery? Source: Re Moscow, 1989: Carty, Ciaran (2010). Robert Ballagh: Citizen Artist - pp. 42/43 and Clines, Francis X. (10 June 1989). "It's a Long Way Away, But the Work Is Grand". The New York Times. p. 4. / Re. Ireland, 1992: Carty, Ciaran (2010). Robert Ballagh: Citizen Artist - pp. 58/59 and Leonard, Hugh (16 February 1992). "More bricks than kicks (Leonard's log)". The Sunday Independent (Dublin), p. 3L.
    • ALT2: ... that artist Robert Ballagh, having painted a domestic scene with a nude of his wife, felt he had to produce a painting with a nude of himself as a follow-up? Source: The Irish Examiner, 19 Oct. 2018, "Jesus, did I paint them?’; Robert Ballagh reacts to the nude portraits to him and his wife" / Magill (magazine), Jillian Stephens, 31 March 1983, "a companion piece. 'It became embarrassingly obvious that it had to be a male nude and it had to be me,' "
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Noveloa
    • Comment: Article significantly extended to give proper coverage, notably of the main career aspect, painting. DYK check, Nov. 8: "at 5x now, expansion began 104 edits ago on Nov. 3, 2023". Will add QPQ within 48 hours, may come up with 1-2 more alt hooks.

5x expanded by SeoR (talk). Self-nominated at 00:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Robert Ballagh; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Hermann Alfred Tanner

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Improved to Good Article status by Frzzl (talk). Self-nominated at 23:08, 3 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hermann Alfred Tanner; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Red XN - See below
  • Other problems: Red XN - See below
QPQ: Done.

Overall: I think the hook needs work. Too much here is confusing and difficult to understand. Why is it relevant that he's a major? The average reader won't know what Romansch are and probably don't understand what a constructed language is either. Overall, I'm not sure that this hook is engaging and helpful for a main page audience. (t · c) buidhe 23:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

    • Hi, thanks for the review. I completely agree with removing "Major", it's unnessesary and complicates the hook. I checked the hook with some other editors, and I'm honestly not sure that we an ethnic group and one of the major classifications of languages is too niche - they're both wikilinked, nontechnical, and isn't the point of DYK to learn new things? I can understand removing the mention of Occidental, as that will simplify it. What about an alt0a, "... that Hermann Alfred Tanner tried to get the Romansh to speak a constructed language?"
    • If you're firmly against this, I'll be putting a hook about his confrontationalism on Portal:Constructed languages, but I can see that that's definitely not suitable. Otherwise, I could try one about the colour compass, but it isn't really that interesting. What do you think?  Frzzl  talk; contribs  21:02, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I already reviewed it. I'm still not convinced that the alternative hook is suitable but if someone else sees fit to approve it I won't interfere. (t · c) buidhe 15:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 4[edit]

Edo literature

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  • ... that Edo literature was influenced by British colonialism in the late 19th century, which introduced the Roman script and Christianity to the Edo people? Source: Usuanlele, Uyilawa; Agbontaen, K.A. (2000). "A History of Modern Literary Development Among the Edos 1897–1960". Africa: Rivista trimestrale di studi e documentazione dell'Istituto italiano per l'Africa e l'Oriente. Istituto Italiano per l'Africa e l'Oriente (IsIAO). 55 (1): p.113. ISSN 0001-9747. JSTOR 40761432. Quote: "... literary development in the Roman script among the Edos can safely be traced to British Colonialism which was imposed in the late nineteenth century."
    • Reviewed: [[]]

Improved to Good Article status by Vanderwaalforces (talk). Self-nominated at 09:52, 6 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Edo literature; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

2022 New Zealand fuel tax subsidy

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Created by Panamitsu (talk). Self-nominated at 02:42, 4 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/2022 New Zealand fuel tax subsidy; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - the requirements of DYK specify it must be "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest" and I think currently the hook is not worded in a way that is helpful to presenting that curiosity. Reading for the first time, you don't have enough context to understand the hook properly. For this reason, I don't think the hook as it is currently can pass these requirements.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: JacobTheRox (talk) 11:47, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That is not how things work. If it was going to be nominated as a new article, as opposed to as a 5x expansion, it should have been nominated within seven days of August 29. As it stands, because that window passed, the article could only be nominated either as a 5x expansion or as a newly-promoted GA, and it must have been nominated within seven days of either that expansion starting or the promotion to GA status. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:29, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, thanks. I thought it could be relisted as it is just "in the wrong section of the nominations page". If that isn't the case, then I will adapt my review. I have struck it through so it was evident what was there before. Kind regards, JacobTheRox (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, JacobTheRox I nominated the article on the same day that I moved it on draftspace so 5x expansion shouldn't be necessary. Is it possible that you're reviewing a different nomination? I can't tell from mobile. —Panamitsu (talk) 22:14, 5 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, Panamitsu: Sorry I thought the article was created in the mainspace October 29th. I have updated my review accordingly. Apologies, JacobTheRox (talk) 22:27, 5 November 2023
@JacobTheRox: Are you able to clarify what you meant by that the current hook isn't interesting? Just so I understand your thought process and we're on the same page. My interpretation was that petrol stations being filled with queues is quite unusual and thus interesting, although I'm happy to hear what you think.
Also, you mention difficulty understanding the hook. Because I wrote the article I don't know what the perspective of a new person looks like, so is it possible that you could describe what is missing? —Panamitsu (talk) 21:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Panamitsu: I read the DYK section every day and I don't think I would understand this hook if I saw it there. While the idea of petrol stations filling up with queues is interesting, I think you need to expand on the removal of subsidies. What are subsidies? Why were they there? Why were they removed? Why did this cause queues? I would word the hook as ... that petrol stations in New Zealand filled up with queues as people tried to fill up before the Government removed a subsidy on fuel tax?. I prefer this hook because it goes into greater detail, and shows that the queues were BEFORE the subsidy was removed. The current hook suggests that the queues were after the subsidy was removed. This made me think the subsidy upped the price somehow. Do excuse me please for my harshness towards the nomination; I just want to improve Wikipedia the best I can. Kind Regards, JacobTheRox (talk) 09:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nope, I see and agree with where you're coming from given the explanation. I think that perhaps to make the hook more interesting, we could remove information rather than add more? ALT2:
"... that New Zealand petrol stations were filled with queues before a change in government policy?"
—Panamitsu (talk) 10:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@JacobTheRox: Are you able to approve ALT2? Z1720 (talk) 01:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Z1720: Sorry I was unable to edit Wikipedia properly this last fortnight. I think ALT2 is better. I am happy to approve it. Apologies for the wait, JacobTheRox (talk) 09:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@JacobTheRox: If this nomination is approved, can you add the green approved tick? (Or please indicate if you need another editor to add it for you.) If there are other concerns preventing approval, can you comment on them below? Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 5[edit]

Ioveta

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  • ... that the Latin princess Ioveta was about four years old when her mother, Queen Morphia, surrendered her to the Turks as debt payment security? Source: "... and hostages were to be deposited at Shaizar for the payment of the remainder ... For hostages Timurtash demanded the King's youngest child, the four-year old Princess Joveta ..." (Runciman, p. 171)

5x expanded by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 16:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ioveta; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

The Little Girl in Blue

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The Little Girl in Blue
The Little Girl in Blue

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 08:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Little Girl in Blue; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • This is a well written article on an interesting painting. The article is new enough, long enough, cited throughout, and is in compliance with wikipedia's policies. The picture is in compliance with our policies and has a proper public domain rationale. The hook is verifiable but only interesting when displayed with the image. I would not promote this hook without featuring the picture. As such, an interesting alternative hook should probably be found in case the image itself is not selected by a promoter. I would suggest highlighting the painting's status as a national art treasure of India. The auction value might also be of interest if there would be a way to communicate ₹18.69 crore in a monetary value familiar to English language readers (such as dollars). I had to look it up and was shocked to find it sold for what would be over 2.2 million dollars. I have two other issues that need addressing. First, the citations should not be to chapters but to specific page numbers. When citing books, use the last name of the author a comma and then the page number. Second, there are far too many section sub-headings for an article with this little amount of prose. Per WP:DYKCOMPLETE we don't promote articles with "unexpanded headers". If a section contains less than a complete paragraph, then it should be merged/combined with another section. The "composition", "Interpretation", "Exhibits", "Ownership and sale", and "Legacy" sections are all too short to be stand alone sections at this point per DYKCOMPLETE. This issue could be solved through the addition of more content under each section or by merging sections to create expanded headers.4meter4 (talk) 15:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. I will go through. Struck hook as it turns out she wasn't a cousin. Will think of a new one. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:56, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • ALT1 ... that the mother of The Little Girl in Blue (pictured) didn't think it was a good likeness of her daughter? (the reception section needs expanding with more analysis/criticism of the painting) Philafrenzy (talk) 22:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you.. looks good... will do a bit more work on this. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:08, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@4meter4: Is ALT1 ready to be approved? If not, what needs to be done to get this nomination approved? Z1720 (talk) 01:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Z1720 I am still waiting to hear back from Whispyhistory that work is finished, and that a second look is ready to proceed.4meter4 (talk) 02:33, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@4meter4:... Thank you. Yes, done now, please review. Whispyhistory (talk) 05:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cultural impact of TikTok

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Created by Nathan121212 (talk) and Spiderwinebottle (talk). Nominated by Nathan121212 (talk) at 19:46, 5 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Cultural impact of TikTok; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • In very broad strokes the article is DYK-eligible, but I have concerns about this hook. Semaglutide is approved for both diabetes and weight loss, and referring to it exclusively as a "diabetes medication" in this context is misleading. The sources don't imo support that Tiktok is an objectively significant contributor to laxative shortages -- this is a subject for which you want much more solid sourcing than news articles, with much more confident statements of cause and effect (as opposed to the significant other elements these articles mention, such as increased demand by an aging population). In general, I think both this hook and the article's coverage of the subject are questionable at best and misleading at worst. There are other elements that could have a valid hook, such as:
  • I'm not the most enthused by the source on that either, but the content it supports isn't nearly as contentious. Vaticidalprophet 06:33, 6 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Vaticidalprophet: thanks for the review. I'll see if I can improve that section of the article. I'm happy to go with your alt hook if that section turns out to be misleading and I have to change it. Will ping you again once I've updated the article. Nathan121212 (talk) 16:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Vaticidalprophet: I couldn't find more information about the laxative shortage. I think it's best to go with your ALT1. I found a better source about ByteDance's publisher that cites The New York Times, but I can't confirm it as the NYT is paywalled. I did improve the section on semaglutide and would be grateful if you had another look. Nathan121212 (talk) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Vaticidalprophet: Is this ready to be approved? If not, what needs to happen to get it approved? Z1720 (talk) 01:59, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was putting this off, because I read the article again, and unfortunately I'm getting more skeptical about it on each reread. The article is very much focused on PRIMARYNEWS statements of individual Tiktok trends, particularly in the US (it's a strikingly Americentric article for a famously non-American app), with almost no secondary analysis of the app's cultural impact outside the plastic surgery section. Even a very low-effort gscholar search without narrowing down specific keywords or similar shows massive amounts of unused academic sourcing, including a whole book on the subject alongside a cavalcade of journal articles. I respect the effort here and don't mean to demean the creator's work, but the article is using very suboptimal sources for its subject in a way that makes it difficult to recommend putting on the main page. I think this is fixable -- there's a lot of sourcing available! Vaticidalprophet 02:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ "About the Ozempic (semaglutide) shortage 2022 and 2023". www.tga.gov.au. Therapeutic Goods Administration. 8 December 2022. Retrieved 5 November 2023. When videos about achieving rapid weight loss with Ozempic went viral on TikTok, the trend was also reported online and across other media. This triggered a huge demand for the product that the manufacturer was not prepared for, and it quickly developed into a worldwide shortage.
  2. ^ Morris, Chris (7 September 2023). "The retail shortage you probably didn't expect: Laxatives. Thank #GutTok". Fortune Well. Retrieved 5 November 2023.

Detrans (short film)

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Moved to mainspace by TechnoSquirrel69 (talk). Nominated by Davest3r08 (talk) at 00:19, 5 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Detrans (short film); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 6[edit]

Articles created/expanded on November 7[edit]

William Carter (composer)

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Created by 4meter4 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:13, 12 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/William Carter (composer); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Thank you for an interesting article, on fine sources, offline and subscription sources accepted AGF. I am not happy with the hook. It gives him no place in time and location. Many started young, but he did extraordinary things later, such as the biggest Handel festival in Canada at the time, and the first choir of the Royal Albert Hall. If you prefer the early start aspect alone, I'll approve it, but think we might miss a chance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What do you think, 4meter4? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Young Girls (painting)

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Young Girls
Young Girls

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 08:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Young Girls (painting); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Article needs a little work, plus the hook is poorly written. As per WP:DYKTAG, the "Legacy" section of the articleis too short and should be expanded or merged into another section. Also, the article needs to be checked for grammar. I did a quick readthrough of the article and noticed a lot of missing commas. Speaking of commas, in the hook itself, a comma is needed after "1933" and not needed after "two young girls". The second half of the hook is also missing "the". The article mentions the subject was the "picture of the year", not "image of the year" (which should be in quotes inside the hook). It should also be noted who recognized it as the "picture of the year". My suggestion: " ... that in 1933, two young girls (pictured) were the "picture of the year" at the Paris Salon?" –Dream out loud (talk) 08:55, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you... maybe I am not the right person to create Sher-Gil paintings. I will re-look. The hook is is not right. Newspapers of 1933 do not mention it. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Who will if you don't? Just learn from the feedback, gradually improve your technique, and keep at it. (I will try to have a look later) Philafrenzy (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Philafrenzy:...Need help with technique please. Whispyhistory (talk) 20:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great work, exactly what was required. The facts, biographical and otherwise, are essential, but it is the critical commentary that lifts an article about a creative work above a banal recitation of those facts. Indeed, where notability is in doubt (it wasn't here) it is that critical commentary that proves notability. I should know, but I am not certain of the status of the announcement of the picture or pictures of the year at the salon. Our article on it and its derivatives is surprisingly short. In any case it seems to be an award of the jury and here is a link to a 1941 report that states explicitly that the painting received that honour. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ryland Davies

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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Martinevans123 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ryland Davies; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • The article doesn't seem to actually state that his "sweet lyric voice of Italianate quality" referred to the Mozart roles specifically, so proposing a simplified and more accurate version of ALT0 (I've struck ALT0 due to that particular inaccuracy):
ALT0a ... that operatic tenor Ryland Davies's voice has been described as being "sweet" and having an "Italianate quality"?
Also proposing an alternative hook for the benefit of the reviewer:
ALT1 ... that operatic tenor Ryland Davies was a rugby player during his youth, earning a schoolboys' international cap for Wales against both England and Scotland?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:09, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT0a: ... that Ryland Davies appeared as Mozart's Ferrando at the Scottish Opera in 1969, then at the San Francisco Opera and at the Metropolitan Opera?
I'll think about alternatives (too hungry before breakfast, and a lyric tenor died whose article is in sad shape: more urgent). I'm not striking your suggestions but we know each other for long enough for you to know that I believe a hook has to illustrate something that is unique to the subject, and that I like some hint at time and place. ALT0a could practically be said about all good lyric tenors. The key thing is that "Italienate" is unusual for Mozart, and while the exact wording is by one critic, that fact is given by at least one more, and provides a good idea of his sound. ALT1: to only speak of his sports seems unacceptable for his stance in music, still being used as a reference when speaking about later recordings, really one of the few big names names in tenor singing and teaching internationally one should know. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT2: ... that operatic tenor Ryland Davies appeared at the Glyndebourne Festival from 1964 to 2000, often in Mozart roles, including Ferrando in Così fan tutte alongside his wife as Dorabella?
If you absolutely want the cute detail:
ALT3: ... that a 1974 recording of Mozart's Così fan tutte with Ryland Davies as Ferrando was chosen for a 1995 film of the Salzburg Marionette Theatre? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Calls for the destruction of Israel

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US and Israel flags burned in Iran in support of the October 7 Hamas attack
US and Israel flags burned in Iran in support of the October 7 Hamas attack

Created by Eladkarmel (talk). Self-nominated at 08:55, 9 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Calls for the destruction of Israel; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Given the ongoing situation, a more balanced hook would be appropriate. The sentence "... that Israeli leaders have consistently called for the destruction of Gaza (and Palestine)" would be equally valid and equally unbalanced. The only difference between the two statements is that one country is actively being destroyed right now. Onceinawhile (talk) 12:49, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hypericum bupleuroides

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  • ... that plant species like Hypericum bupleuroides can reproduce by a callus? Source: "Numerous shoots were obtained when the calli from both explant types were cultured", various other parts of the paper (Çirak, Cüneyt; Ayan, Ali Kemal; KevseroĞlu, Kudret (2007). "Direct and indirect regeneration of plants from internodal and leaf expiants of Hypencum bupleuroides gris". Journal of Plant Biology. 50 (1): 24–28. doi:10.1007/bf03030596. ISSN 1226-9239)

5x expanded by Fritzmann2002 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:34, 7 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hypericum bupleuroides; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 8[edit]

SSSniperWolf

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Moved to mainspace by Alexis Jazz (talk). Nominated by Davest3r08 (talk) at 14:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/SSSniperWolf; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Nancy Nash (actress)

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Created by Silver seren (talk) and FloridaArmy (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 19:00, 12 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Nancy Nash (actress); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Fan Xiaoqin

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Created by Bremps (talk). Self-nominated at 17:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fan Xiaoqin; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Apologies, this article does not appear to be ready for DYK status due to the presence of possibly unreliable sources (see the note at the top of the article.) Generalissima (talk) 03:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Thanks for the comment. Because Sixth Tone is listed as a reliable source for non-political issues at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources, and The Paper (the Chinese language source) is just the same publication in Chinese, I narrowed the unreliable sources down to the WhatsOnWeibo citations (which are now gone). The other sources, such as CNN or the Straits Times, seem pretty solid in my opinion. Bremps... 13:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • @Generalissima Bremps... 23:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
        • The previous reviewer communicated to me that she wasn't able to finish this one, but I'm willing to pick it up. Will make comments within the next couple days -- I checked some sources and there's a complicated situation here, so can't write up a full review yet. Vaticidalprophet 05:51, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There's an extremely strange situation here -- I can't think of anything I've seen that's similar.

When reading the article, I noticed that buried in the middle was a mention of the subject being intellectually disabled. This is a hell of a thing to bury in the middle of an article, and many terms for intellectual and developmental disabilities translate poorly, so I checked the source to see if this was a mistranslation. My Chinese is very weak, but I was able to confirm that no, that's the correct translation/implication of the statement. The source specifically mentioned Fan being diagnosed with "intellectual disability level 2", which doesn't translate directly to English. Checking some Chinese sources, with again significant caveats, this seemingly translates to a severe intellectual disability -- corresponding to someone with very limited communication and self-care abilities who's unlikely to understand the consequences of being internet-famous. Descriptions of him in both Chinese and English sources agree that he has a very restricted vocabularly and doesn't seem to comprehend why people were paying attention to him.

Looking at the longread article in Sixth Tone, there's a lot of detail on the context under which Fan became internet-famous. There's a fairly consistent narrative that the fame was mostly his father's doing. This is agreed with by The Paper and at least alluded to by a number of other sources I could access. In particular, the "begging" that the article focuses on is clearly not something Fan understood the implications of. This article really doesn't get any of this across -- like I said, the mention of intellectual disability is very buried. While there are good sources cited in the article, they're poorly utilized.

The number of standalone biographical articles on intellectually disabled subjects is limited. I can't think of a single article that's had to have an "is this article hiding that the subject is severely intellectually disabled?" conversation, and I really can't think of one where that's combined with a high language barrier. It definitely needs, at bare minimum, serious revisions. I'm not convinced there's a good BLP case for this article existing -- it's a very sad and complex story about exploitation, for which the coverage is fairly limited. I'm posting this to WP:BLPN to get further thoughts -- I have that noticeboard watchlisted, but this is way outside the range of even normal BLP issues, because of just how complex and sensitive the situation is. Vaticidalprophet 13:20, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Bremps: Have the above issues been addressed? Z1720 (talk) 02:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We're still in the middle of a deletion discussion. Bremps... 03:18, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 9[edit]

Wie liegt die Stadt so wüst

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Kreuzkirche in 1945
Kreuzkirche in 1945

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 23:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wie liegt die Stadt so wüst; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Updown Girl

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  • ... that archaeologists found that Updown Girl, who was buried in England in the 7th century, had a mixture of West African and European DNA? Source: "One of the most surprising discoveries was the skeleton of a young girl who died at about ten or 11 years of age, found in Updown near Eastry in Kent. She was buried in typical early seventh-century style with a finely made pot, knife, spoon and bone comb. Her DNA, however, tells a more complex story. As well as 67% CNE [continental northern European] ancestry, she also had 33% West African ancestry." https://theconversation.com/updown-girl-dna-research-shows-ancient-britain-was-more-diverse-than-we-imagined-192142
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Moved to mainspace by Richard Nevell (talk), RLamb (talk), and JSwift49 (talk). Nominated by Richard Nevell (talk) at 21:18, 14 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Updown Girl; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • ... New enough, long enough, hook is interesting and in article followed by inline citation to source containing hook fact. Hook short enough. QPQ not required. No copyvio issues. A large section needs citations. Whispyhistory (talk) 06:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Richard Nevell, RLamb, and JSwift49: Can one of you please respond to the above? Z1720 (talk) 02:02, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm on it - I've addressed one of the issues and working out how to resolve the other. Richard Nevell (talk) 10:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Z1720 and Whispyhistory: It was mostly a case of duplicating existing references to make attribution more robust. The last sticking point was how unique Updown Girl is amongst the sample reported in Nature. I have commented it out of the article, essentially removing it. I think it may be correct, but the article and supplementary materials do not explicitly state that Updown Girl's admixture in the same was unique. So to err on the side of caution I've removed the text. Thanks for bringing a fresh pair of eyes to the article, Z1720. Richard Nevell (talk) 13:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Curatores aedium sacrarum et operum locorumque publicorum

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Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 02:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Curatores aedium sacrarum et operum locorumque publicorum; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 10[edit]

Krasowo-Częstki massacre

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Commemoration of the 73rd anniversary of massacre
Commemoration of the 73rd anniversary of massacre
  • ... that a Polish priest and a German officer could not prevent the Krasowo-Częstki massacre? Source: Kaczyński, Józef (2005). "Jak nie udało się uratować mieszkańców rodzinnej wsi" [How I couldn't save my home village]. Biuletyn IPN (in Polish). 12 (59): 96-98. ISSN 1641-9561.
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Created by Dreamcatcher25 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:24, 10 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Krasowo-Częstki massacre; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Nonô (musician), Majestic (musician), Punctual

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Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 09:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Nonô (musician); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Marco Pierre White Jr

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Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 08:05, 10 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Marco Pierre White Jr; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Article moved to mainspace within the window; long enough, QPQ done. There are, however, a few things that concern me here. Firstly, do we have a source for ALT0? Secondly, for BLP reasons, I think we need to tread carefully about giving front-page focus to articles which prominently detail the criminal histories of relatively non-notable living people. Thirdly, although the article is heavily cited, the tone isn't always encyclopaedic: in particular, a lot of the language is rather sensational and more in keeping with a newspaper (tabloid?) report than what we are going for here. One could also argue a WP:DUEWEIGHT problem with the level of detail given about White's relationship difficulties in the "early life" section, particularly as so many of the words and actions quoted are not his own. @Theleekycauldron and RoySmith:: I wonder if either of you (or any other co-ords, but I'm not immediately sure of who those are) would take a view here? UndercoverClassicist T·C 18:39, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I'm not a fan of these types of articles. I don't know if I can justify this on any policy grounds, but IAR yuck. RoySmith (talk) 18:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT0 is sourced to The Independent (the first) and The Telegraph (he bought two). I've cut a chunk out of the early life section; it's well sourced, and I did consider footnoting it, but perhaps it's better placed to his father's article (or if she ever acquires notability beyond WP:INHERITED, her's).--Launchballer 20:02, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've got to be honest, I agree with User:RoySmith that the article may not be the best fit for the front page. There's an element of WP:BLPKIND (is it really kind or right to use our considerable platform to highlight the rather sordid past of a fairly minor, not-really-public figure?): there's also some wisdom in the essay Wikipedia:NOTCENSORED and the Main Page, that even though we pointedly don't censor the site, we also should consider whether what we put on the front page is likely to cause more harm than good to the encyclopaedia's reputation. Given the predominance of sexual and graphic material in this article (almost a whole line of the lead seems to consist of a detailed reconstruction of a sexual assault though this isn't the impression given in the body text), and the other BLP and WP:DUEWEIGHT concerns, I don't think this should run as a DYK in its current form. UndercoverClassicist T·C 20:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay. I have at least cut that part out of the lede.--Launchballer 21:03, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

DYK doesn't have coords per se, but it wouldn't be the first time I've been called a "DYK coord". I agree this article is tricky for the intersections of DYK with negative BLPs. Of all my GAs, there's only one I never took to DYK, because the nature of the subject's notability meant there was no sensitive hook. After it passed GAN, the article was unexpectedly driveby nominated; I declined the nomination. There are some interesting parts of this article, and I see why there was a desire to nominate it. I don't think the ratios work out, though -- the subject is fairly little-known, so combining that with the negative framework of his notability, it's hard to see a clear way forward. Vaticidalprophet 21:12, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

AirshipJungleman29 has just taken out about 60% of the article. What is your opinion of the current version?--Launchballer 19:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If somebody had to delete 60% of the article to make it acceptable, I'd say it fails "The article should not be subject to unresolved edit-warring". RoySmith (talk) 01:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I...think it's worse, DYK-wise. The previous version had a lot of crimes mixed with some content about him as a person, if not a lot. The new version is just the crimes, really. (I'd have removed "made a bad tweet" before "had his ribs tattooed by Buddhist monks".) The stripped-down version just highlights how tricky it is to write an article about someone like this, let alone put it on the main page. Vaticidalprophet 01:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed with Roy and Vati: ironically, I think it's a less bad article in many respects (particularly tone and due weight), but condensing it to its critical elements really shows that an article which is fundamentally about some quite unremarkable (but very tabloid-friendly) bad behaviour by someone whose claim to be a public figure is pretty tenuous. To be honest, I think there's a case (WP:NOTINHERITED, WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTNEWS) that the article should be reduced to sub-articles of others (of Marco Sr. and the relevant Big Brother series, I'd suggest). UndercoverClassicist T·C 10:37, 12 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I generally find myself in the camp of "any article about a serious crime, particularly a recent one, should have to demonstrate enduring historical significance to exist at all". That view is, as far as I can tell, something to the effect of WP:NEVENT on steroids, although I will point out that NEVENT's rule to that effect has been trampled on. I would IAR decline this myself, but I don't think the policy infrastructure otherwise exists to decline an topic so thoroughly covered by national press. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@UndercoverClassicist: Where are we at with this nomination? If you are able to approve it or formally reject it, I suggest indicating so below. If you are still unsure, I suggest opening a new thread at WT:DYK and getting additional opinions. Z1720 (talk) 02:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My view is that we should not promote this article. UndercoverClassicist T·C 06:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 11[edit]

Brazilian cruiser Almirante Barroso (1882)

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The cruiser Almirante Barroso, picture by Marc Ferrez, 1885
  • ... that the Brazilian cruiser Almirante Barroso (pictured) was on a circumnavigation voyage with prince August Leopold on board when the republic was proclaimed in Brazil? Source: "Dom Augusto Leopoldo [...] estava no exercício da mais importante comissão, quiçá de sua carreira, fazendo viagem de circumnavegação a bordo do cruzador auxiliar Almirante Barroso, quando o golpe de estado do marechal Deodoro, a que se seguiu a retirada e logo após o banimento da família imperial, veio abrupta e dolorosamente arrancá-lo à pátria, aos amigos e à gloriosa corporação a que servia". (Dom August Leopold [...] was carrying out the most important commission, perhaps of his career, making a circumnavigation trip aboard the auxiliary cruiser Almirante Barroso, when marshal Deodoro's coup d'état, followed by the withdrawal and soon after the banishment of the imperial family, came abruptly and painfully to tear him away from his homeland, his friends and the glorious institution he served; Lessa, Clado Ribeiro de (1951). "O Segundo Ramo da Casa Imperial e a nossa Marinha de Guerra". Revista do Instituto Historico e Geografico Brasileiro. 211: 129–130. ISSN 0101-4366, p. 125
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    • Comment: My first ever nomination.

Created by Torimem (talk). Self-nominated at 23:38, 11 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Brazilian cruiser Almirante Barroso (1882); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Musical Instrument Bank

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  • ... that the Canada Council for the Arts Musical Instrument Bank holds a competition every three years in order to loan its entire inventory of string instruments? Source: " In a continual cycle of loans to promising young musicians, who compete every three years for the chance to use them, they have helped boost the careers of international stars..." and "The aim is to loan every instrument, and any new acquisitions are immediately offered to the reserve applicants rather than being held back until the next competition."Canada Council Musical Instrument Bank

Moved to mainspace by Mindmatrix (talk). Self-nominated at 18:46, 11 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Musical Instrument Bank; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Interesting article on fine sources, accepting those I can't access AGF. Hook: "Canada Council for the Arts Musical Instrument Bank" is a long term of unknown things. What do you think of "Musical Instrument Bank of the Canada Council for the Arts", or at least "Canada Council for the Arts' Musical Instrument Bank"? Could "string instruments" perhaps come sooner. - Article: I am no friend of the duplication in the "referencing" of the instrunments, These are not independent, so not really references, - they could appear as short links - explained - as for example the links to Reger's works in his list of works (last column). Think about it. It's not in the way of DYK, just to avoid confusing readers, - admitting that I was confused ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: I've updated the references in the table to remove duplication (I realize you said it's not in the way of DYK, but figured I may as well do it anyway), though I've left them as references instead of offsite links. (They only verify incidental details - year acquired and whether the instrument is owned by the Bank or loaned to it, so figured this was OK; I can convert them to offsite links if this isn't acceptable.) I do prefer, however, to have references tightly coupled with the data they are referencing, so am not a fan of this style.
Regarding the hook, I'm OK with rephrasing to "Musical Instrument Bank of the Canada Council for the Arts". I have not come up with a good way of rephrasing to place "string instruments" earlier in the hook. I'd also like to mention these are "prestigious" instruments by Stradivari, Guarnieri et al (as opposed to mass produced instruments), but haven't found a way to do so, and none of the refs mention "prestigious" or any similar word. Perhaps something like "...in order to loan its entire inventory of Stradivari, Guarnieri and other string instruments" could be done. I've added a few ALTs for consideration. Mindmatrix 15:17, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ALT1: "...that the Musical Instrument Bank of the Canada Council for the Arts holds a competition every three years in order to loan its entire inventory of Stradivari and other string instruments?"
ALT2: "...that the Musical Instrument Bank of the Canada Council for the Arts holds a competition every three years in order to loan its entire inventory of string instruments?"
ALT3: "...that in order to loan its entire inventory of string instruments, the Musical Instrument Bank of the Canada Council for the Arts holds a competition every three years?"
ALT4: "...that in order to loan its entire inventory of Stradivari and other string instruments, the Musical Instrument Bank of the Canada Council for the Arts holds a competition every three years?"
Thank you for explaining, and the ALTs. Am I right that it's the Council that runs the competition, and the Bank rather the inventory? Then the conconstruction "Bank holds competition" doesn't really work. I know the feeling of wanting to put much into a hook. Perhaps we don't need the lenghty full name of the Council? Perhaps not the three years? Want to try something new, perhaps even without competition, just describing instruments on loan for players? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Example: ... that the Canada Council for the Arts holds a competition to find string players worthy to be loaned historic instruments from their Musical Instrument Bank? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Glitch Productions

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Created by Cereally8 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:32, 11 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Glitch Productions; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Sadly, the article doesn't qualify as "new", per my understanding of the guidelines. The original article was not deleted for copyright violation reasons (though a much larger version of it was cut down for that reason sometime previous to the AfD that resulted in the deletion). The degree of expansion is too small to count as 5x, per the character counter I used. If another reviewer disagrees with either element of my assessment before this is yanked from the nomination page, please ping me—the transition to the new guidelines has left me a little confused on a couple points. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 12[edit]

Peanut, California

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5x expanded by Cielquiparle (talk). Self-nominated at 06:05, 17 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Peanut, California; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Reviewing... 5x expanded within last 7 days, reads well, QPQ provided. Hook is good, in the article... will complete soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 06:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
.. Hook is in article and in the references following hook fact. No copyvio issues. Can tick it once the citation needed tag comes off. Thank you Cielquiparle... Whispyhistory (talk) 05:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Luochahai City

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  • ... that Luochahai City combines a horse and a household to make a donkey? Source: Qian, Zilan (2023-08-03). "Behind 8 Billion Streams: Who is Dao Lang Cursing in the Chinese Hit Song 'Luocha Kingdom'?". Retrieved 2023-10-15.
    • ALT1: ... that Luochahai City was streamed 10 billion times, possibly surpassing Despacito? Source: "墙外文摘：刀郎的"罗刹海市"，中国的是非颠倒". DW (in Chinese (China)). August 6, 2023. Retrieved 2023-11-01 Laughlin, Charles A. (2023-09-28). "The eclectic, anti-mainstream, surprisingly popular music of Dao Lang". The China Project. Retrieved 2023-10-15.
    • ALT2: ... that no one knows what Luochahai City is about? Source: "China tries to figure out whom a hit song is mocking". The Economist. ISSN 0013-0613. Retrieved 2023-10-15.
    • ALT3: ... that Luochahai City, a pop song, mentions Ludwig Wittgenstein? Source: Laughlin, Charles A. (2023-09-28). "The eclectic, anti-mainstream, surprisingly popular music of Dao Lang". The China Project. Retrieved 2023-10-15.
    • Reviewed: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Secret_Empire_(1974_comic)
    • Comment: Most fascinating article I have worked on so far

Created by Bremps (talk). Self-nominated at 00:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Luochahai City; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Not a review; just a note that the nominated article must be shown in bold font in the hooks. Schwede66 08:07, 13 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 13[edit]

Logan Eggleston, Zoe Fleck, Asjia O'Neal

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Created by Hameltion (talk). Self-nominated at 17:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Logan Eggleston; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Vivi Vassileva

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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Vivi Vassileva; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Suggesting some possible alternate hooks:
ALT0a ... that percussionist Vivi Vassileva played Gregor Mayrhofer's Recycling Concerto on instruments derived from garbage?
ALT1 ... that Vivi Vassileva was inspired to become a percussionist after drummers at a beach in Bulgaria invited her to play with them when she was eight?
ALT2 ... that percussionist Vivi Vassileva has drummed using everyday materials and recycled garbage?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Thank you for the suggestions. They are all interesting but leave out that she played this Recycling Concerto in the great halls of Europe (Elbphilhamonie ... - yes, not yet in the article, no time), received a prestigious prize before turning 30, or - as I tried, mainly to please you - was an outstanding early achiever. I think the small hooky facts are more impressive on that background - whichever of the three. Anybody can drum on flower pots, but only she - afaik - with a symphony orchestra. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I began an article for the composer, and just linked twice without new ALTs. With more expansion, he may become ready for a double nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

William Bronston

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  • ... that the great nephew of Leon Trotsky was a physician for the Black Panther Party and helped deinstitutionalize Willowbrook State School? Source: "Raised in Hollywood, he was also the son of a major movie producer, Samuel Bronston, and the great nephew of socialist revolutionary Leon Trotsky." (Nisbet 2021, p.39); "...he moved to New York, where he served as the main physician for the Black Panther Party." (Nisbet 2021, p.39); "He then moved to New York City, and in the early 1970s he became a major force in publicizing and protesting the horrendous conditions at Willowbrook, a state facility on Staten Island that housed 5,000 mentally disabled adults and children. These efforts culminated in a 1975 state court decision to deinstitutionalize the facility’s patients." (Rogers 2001, p. 19). Full book titles can be found in the article.

Created by Freedom4U (talk). Self-nominated at 12:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/William Bronston; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Great Divine Temple

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The Qian-Kun ball

Created by Đại Việt quốc (talk). Self-nominated at 23:44, 13 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Great Divine Temple; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment: it might be better for the sake of the general reader to follow the source's translation of "Cosmos" ball (and perhaps explain what it represents). It's a pity that the source itself does not tell us why the other temples aren't allowed to have one. KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 02:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kingoflettuce:  Done Đại Việt quốc (talk) 03:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I also wonder if the hook could be rewritten. It seems to assume the reader is familiar with Caodaism and is a bit complicated for non-specialists. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Reading the article I would also suggest that it be given a copyedit. Suggesting an alternative hook, even though I think some variant of ALT0 could work if it was rewritten/copyedited:
ALT1 ... that the Great Divine Temple is the most important temple of Caodaism in Vietnam?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Not sure what you actually meant by "Reading the article I would also suggest that it be given a copyedit"? Do you mean the hook should be copyedited or the whole article needs to be copyedited? Đại Việt quốc (talk) 05:10, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The whole article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Well, okay... but I don't think it's very helpful to simply state that the whole article needs copyediting. Could you please at least suggest where it should be copyedited, or point out what the issues are (grammar, spelling mistakes...)? Đại Việt quốc (talk) 06:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
From reading the article, it's mostly the Architecture section that needs work. I don't really see any spelling mistakes but the grammar could be improved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks! But still, the feedback is too general, which gave me almost no clue on where to start. I checked everything very carefully before posting and nominating, so from my point of view it seems fine. What exactly is wrong about the Architecture section? Is it its tone, its content, structure...? I would really appreciate it if someone could point out in detail. Đại Việt quốc (talk) 01:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's a bit hard to explain, but the grammar and writing style isn't exactly the best. For example, the paragraph that starts with The middle part of the temple is Cuu Trung Dai. could probably flow better. Maybe another editor could explain it better than I could, I apologize if it's hard to explain exactly what needs to be rewritten. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: Well! Then unfortunately there's nothing much I can do here. However, based on how you described it, the issue is simply the writing style. To my impression, the only other two criteria of a DYK candidate (apart from newess and length) are external policy compliance and presentability, and I think this article met those. Careful examination of the writing style has more to do with Good article and Featured article nominations. I wouldn't say that DYK does not look at writing style, it does but only to some extent. (Or maybe I'm completely wrong about this, and if I do feel free to correct me) Still, I'm more than happy to correct and adjust my writing style in this article where necessary, but only if someone can point it out and give a more detailed explanation of the issue (not just general ones). Đại Việt quốc (talk) 18:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bofedales

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Bofedales in the foreground

Created by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 15:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bofedales; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Convent of Saint Lazarus

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  • ... that the thought of her sister Ioveta being a common nun was so abhorrent to the queen of Jerusalem that she ordered the construction of the Convent of Saint Lazarus for Ioveta to rule as an abbess? Source: "Melisende considered it ‘unseemly that the daughter of a king should be subject to some other mother in the cloister, just like one of the common people’" (Hamilton, p. 228)

Created by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 01:22, 13 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Convent of Saint Lazarus; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 14[edit]

1939 Liechtenstein putsch

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  • ... that a large majority of Jewish people in Liechtenstein left the country during the one-day unsuccessful 1939 Liechtenstein putsch, and most returned the day after? Source: https://historisches-lexikon.li/Anschlussputsch
    "In der Putschnacht flohen fast alle in Liechtenstein lebenden Juden in die Schweiz, sie kehrten aber in den Tagen danach wieder zurück"
    • ALT1: ... that during the 1939 Liechtenstein putsch, government councillor Anton Frommelt convinced the Nazi supporters to turn back and also blocked their telephone lines? Source: https://historisches-lexikon.li/Anschlussputsch
      "40 Nationalsozialisten Richtung Vaduz. Sie wurden aber vor Schaan, wo abwehrbereite Gegner versammelt waren, von Regierungsrat Anton Frommelt zur Umkehr überredet."
      https://historisches-lexikon.li/Frommelt,_Anton
      "Ein Jahr später, am 24.3.1939, war Frommelt massgeblich an der Vereitelung des von der VDBL unternommenen Anschlussputsches beteiligt. Er liess die Telefone der Putschführer sperren, trat den von Nendeln her nach Schaan marschierenden Aufrührern furchtlos entgegen und bewog sie zur Umkehr."
    • Reviewed:

Created by TheBritinator (talk). Self-nominated at 16:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/1939 Liechtenstein putsch; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Not a review: Consider linking Anton Frommelt. On one hand, it may help reader comprehension, on the other, it may divert traffic away from the target article. Bremps... 22:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Catalogue of Works of Carl Friedrich Abel

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Portrait of Abel by Gainsborough
  • ... that the new Catalogue of Works of Carl Friedrich Abel (AbelWV), the catalogue of compositions by Carl Friedrich Abel of now 420 works, has a famous portrait of the composer as the title page? Source: [20]
    • Reviewed: Musical Instrument Bank
    • Comment: This is intended for the composer's tercentenary on 22 December. The catalogue was written in five years. The article was begun in May, sent to draft, restored with added source. I missed two days since, - please forgive me. I'd love to see his little dog on the Main page on his birthday, him composing, and his instrument - he was the last master of the viol.

Moved to mainspace by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 07:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Catalogue of Works of Carl Friedrich Abel; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Thomas Fritzsch

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  • ... that Thomas Fritzsch, who has rediscovered music by Carl Friedrich Abel, a virtuoso on the viol, initiated a music festival in Köthen, where Abel was born 300 years ago? Source: several
    • Reviewed: Eustace Tilley
    • Comment: best on the composer's birthday, 22 December, or close to it - I'll try one more hook which may be better on the day - the festival was in June, probably because nobody would go so shortly before Christmas ;)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Thomas Fritzsch; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Agri-Expo

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Created by Nathan121212 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Agri-Expo; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Cora Victoria Diehl

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Photo of Diehl circa. 1893

5x expanded by TulsaPoliticsFan (talk). Self-nominated at 22:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Cora Victoria Diehl; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @TulsaPoliticsFan: Technically your expansion isn't quite long enough, as DYK only counts prose text, not references, etc. Before you started your expansion, the article was at 1199 characters; you're now at 4286 characters. Do you think you could add more meaningful content and further expand the article to 5995 characters? Cielquiparle (talk) 05:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I was gonna DYK it as a new article I wrote on the 3rd, but I didn't think to try and do that until the 14th (never done one of these before and didn't realize it was within one week and not two weeks), so since I was outside the one week by 4 days I tried to do the expansion route. I'm not sure I can expand it much more, but I can try. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 16:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@TulsaPoliticsFan: I found another source you could use to expand the article. It looks like she was also referred to by her married name i.e. Cora Diehl Harvey. https://www.proquest.com/docview/2825707989?pq-origsite=gscholar&fromopenview=true Nathan121212 (talk) 20:42, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you, added the article to the biography. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 00:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@TulsaPoliticsFan: No problem. I also found a case Board of County Commissioners of Logan County v. Harvey you can add to the article. Nathan121212 (talk) 13:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cielquiparle: @TulsaPoliticsFan: I believe the article has been 5x expanded now. I think we also need to establish whether she should be called Diehl or Harvey. A lot of sources refer to her as Harvey after her marriage. Nathan121212 (talk) 18:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Nathan121212 and TulsaPoliticsFan: Well done, yes it's "long enough" of an expansion now! Could you also please de-orphan the article? We can't send it to the main page with an orange tag at the top. Let me know if you need pointers – but basically you just need to look for/think of other pages from which you can link to this article. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cielquiparle and Nathan121212:, The article has be de-orphaned. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 21:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fascinating topic. Article is new enough, long enough, with inline citations and neutrally written. Earwig score is high at 40.5% but this is mainly due to direct quotes which are correctly attributed; spot check suggests copyvio is not a problem (though it would be better if we could layer in additional sources in the passages where Benson's Oklahama Politics article is cited at length). Photo of Diehl was published in 1893 and is PD. Hooks check out and are interesting, but striking ALT0 because it is awfully wordy and confusing. Main outstanding issue is reliance on a master's thesis as a key source; per WP:RS (specifically WP:SCHOLARSHIP), Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence. @TulsaPoliticsFan and Nathan121212: Would you be able to find alternate sources for the facts attributed to the 2023 master's thesis? For example, I took a quick look in Newspapers.com and found 46 articles for "Cora D. Harvey" that look promising. If you don't have access, you could ask for help at Women in Red to see if someone else could help. And/or look for other sources in Wikipedia Library (manual lookups in several individual databases) and Google Books. Cielquiparle (talk) 01:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Morphia of Melitene

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  • ... that when her husband got captured by the Turks, Queen Morphia hired a band of secretly armed "monks" and "merchants" to infiltrate the prison and rescue him – only for him to be captured again? Source: Runciman p. 163: "Fifty of them came in various disguises to Kharpurt and were allowed entry as being monks and merchants of the district with a grievance that they asked to lay before the governor. Once inside the fortress they produced arms from beneath their garments and overpowered the garrison. Baldwin and Joscelin suddenly found themselves the masters of their prison."

Improved to Good Article status by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 22:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Morphia of Melitene; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Promoted to GA status on 11/14 satisfying DYK's newness requirement. The article is also long enough, well sourced and cited, neutrally written, and appears compliant with policy. An Earwig checks out fine. Hook is short enough (194 characters) and interesting. QPQ underway. The only thing holding me back from approving is the accuracy of the hook: The article says Morphia hired a band of 50 Armenian soldiers who posed as monks and merchants and in other disguises. The hook, by contrast, says she hired monks and merchants and omits to say that they were soldiers and not actually monks and merchants. The hook needs to be factual and accurate, so this needs to be fixed. Ping me when this is resolved.`Cbl62 (talk) 06:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cbl62, the scare quotes are there to indicate (or at least strongly imply) that the men she hired were not actual monks and merchants. Surtsicna (talk) 07:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I appreciate the desire to come up with an entertaining hook, but DYK rules provide that a hook must include "a definite fact that is unlikely to change". Here, we have a hook that is clearly not factual or accurate, i.e., the band of 50 were not monks and merchants. They were hired soldiers posing as monks, merchants and wearing others disguises. "Scare quotes" do not make the hook any more "factual". To the contrary, the very purpose of "scare quotes" is to "convey an ironic, skeptical, or even derisive stance toward the word or phrase they enclose; they signal a nonstandard use, which often requires a reader to read between the lines to intuit the particular sense intended by the author." See here. A hook that at worst is false and at best requires the reader to "read between the lines" is the antithesis of "a definite fact that is unlikely to change", as required by DYK rules. Cbl62 (talk) 13:56, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • You might consider an alt hook along these lines ... that Queen Morphia hired a band of soldiers disguised as monks and merchants to rescue her husband from a Turkish fortress – only for him to be captured again? Cbl62 (talk) 14:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That one is good too, and shorter, but I am not sure if it tells a good story. How about replacing the scare quotes with the word fake? ... that when her husband got captured by the Turks, Queen Morphia hired a band of secretly armed fake monks and merchants to infiltrate the prison and rescue him – only for him to be captured again? Surtsicna (talk) 17:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cbl62: Thoughts on the above? Z1720 (talk) 02:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How the Red Sun Rose

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  • ... that How the Red Sun Rose rewrote scholarly understanding of the Yan'an Rectification Movement and showed that authors who accepted the Party line narrative were deceived? Source: "In sharp contrast to the Party line that describes the movement as a salubrious thought-reform process, to which much of the earlier Western scholarship subscribed, Gao reminds readers that the relatively liberal Yan’an Spring was short-lived—less than two months long [...] How the Red Sun Rose renders obsolete much of the earlier scholarship on Yan’an and Mao. [...] Contemporary observers, such as Edgar Snow, and scholars who accepted Mao’s two-line struggle narrative were sold a bill of goods." https://read.dukeupress.edu/journal-of-asian-studies/article/78/4/898/320270
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Created by Thomas Meng (talk). Self-nominated at 21:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/How the Red Sun Rose; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Sasuke vs. Commander

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Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 17:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sasuke vs. Commander; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

William, Prince of Wales

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  • ... that Prince William was the first future heir to the throne to be born in a hospital?
  • ... that Prince William used the name "Steve" while studying at the University of St. Andrews to avoid attracting attention from the media?
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    • Comment: As per Reviewer's suggestion and also because it meets the criteria

Improved to Good Article status by MSincccc (talk). Self-nominated at 16:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/William, Prince of Wales; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Not a review, just a comment, but I do have two suggestions: 1. I think the first hook could go without the mention of the hospital's name since the main point is that he was the first British heir to be born in a hospital and adding extra detail somewhat detracts from the point, and 2. while I think the original hook is pretty good, since this is Prince William we're talking about here, are there any other possible alternative hook suggestions you could give? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Since this hasn't been reviewed yet, I'll leave this to another reviewer, but I do think ALT1 is the more surprising hook here and thus probably the better option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:08, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 15[edit]

Michael Kremer

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  • ... that Michael Kremer's O-ring theory of economic development was inspired by the economist forgetting to purchase toilet paper for one of his educational non-profit's training sessions? Source: Monaghan, Peter (March 3, 2000). "Of Elephants and O-Rings: an Economist's Unusual Views on Ivory, Taxes, and Population". Chronicle of Higher Education. Retrieved November 20, 2023.
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5x expanded by RegMonkey (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 20 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Michael Kremer; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Huequi

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Created by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Huequi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Frankly, I'm not sure if the hook as currently written would be interesting, or at least understandable, to a non-specialist audience unless there were pictures of the actual pinnacles in question. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Unfortunately, there is no free image of the geysers. Also, I think that most people understand what a "pinnacle" is. Maybe "columns" is clearer? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That might be better, but without images, I'm afraid the hook doesn't really stand out, since it might be hard for readers to imagine what they look like. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Proposed an ALT that should give sufficient information for people's imagination. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 16[edit]

Anna Nekhames

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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Anna Nekhames; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Self-Portrait as a Tahitian

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Self-Portrait as a Tahitian (1934)
Self-Portrait as a Tahitian (1934)

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 17:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Self-Portrait as a Tahitian; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Interesting article about an interesting piece of art, on fine sources. Offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. As the article stands now, I see no "hidden" features, and believe that those to the three painters are rather obvious. "Japanese" is at present not justified. I'd mention the year. The three short sections about the influences are too short for my taste, but I'll watch them grow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:55, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you @Gerda Arendt:... I'm working on it... is it okay with you that I take my time on this one and ping you when done? It is a very complex painting. Much appreciated. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Letter to the American people

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Created by PhotographyEdits (talk). Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk) at 23:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Letter to the American people; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Misti

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Misti as seen from Arequipa
Misti as seen from Arequipa

5x expanded by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 11:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Misti; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Honour Chen-Williams

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Moved to mainspace by DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk). Self-nominated at 02:46, 20 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Honour Chen-Williams; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b c Kilkelly, Daniel (28 January 2022). "Hollyoaks star Vera Chok on Honour's future and Lunar New Year episode". Digital Spy. Hearst Communications. Retrieved 20 November 2023.
  2. ^ Lang, Jamie (1 February 2022). "'Hollyoaks' Becomes First Soap in British TV History to Celebrate Lunar New Year – Global Bulletin". Variety. Retrieved 8 November 2023.
  3. ^ Hutchinson, Emily (26 January 2022). "Hollyoaks stars Vera Chok and Katie McGlynn discuss importance of Becky racism story". Digital Spy. Hearst Communications. Retrieved 20 November 2023.
Note: I did not move this to the mainspace - another user did as I requested it - but it was moved from my sandbox to the mainspace and was written and sourced completely by me.DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 13:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dầu Tiếng Reservoir

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Dau Tieng Reservoir
Dau Tieng Reservoir

Created by Đại Việt quốc (talk). Self-nominated at 09:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dầu Tiếng Reservoir; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Tadeusz Gebethner

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Tadeusz Gebethner
Tadeusz Gebethner

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 08:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Tadeusz Gebethner; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 17[edit]

Bernard Williams (gridiron football)

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  • ... that Bernard Williams was not released by the Philadelphia Eagles until 29 years after he played his last game for them? Source: NBC Sports
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
    • Comment: Was 711 bytes prose on November 17 (time requirement can be extended two days on request per the DYK guidelines), meaning that it will need to be 3555 bytes to be eligible under a 5x expansion. Its currently 2,864, so will need to be expanded a bit more, but I intend on doing that soon.

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk) and Eagles247 (talk). Nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk) at 03:07, 26 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bernard Williams (gridiron football); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Pierre Stagnara

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Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 16:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Pierre Stagnara; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

References

  1. ^ Stagnara P. Traction crânienne par le "Halo" de Rancho Los Amigos [Cranial traction using the "Halo" of Rancho Los Amigos]. Rev Chir Orthop Reparatrice Appar Mot. 1971 Jun;57(4):287-300. French. PMID: 4256619.
  2. ^ a b Li, Gabriel; Compson, Keith; Stone, Joseph; Sanders, James; Louer, Craig (2021-02-01). "Pathway for Implementation of Halo-Gravity Traction for the Treatment of Severe Spinal Deformities at a New Institution". Journal of the Pediatric Orthopaedic Society of North America. 3 (1). doi:10.55275/JPOSNA-2021-227. ISSN 2768-2765. S2CID 252373572.
  3. ^ Stagnara P. Traction crânienne par le "Halo" de Rancho Los Amigos [Cranial traction using the "Halo" of Rancho Los Amigos]. Rev Chir Orthop Reparatrice Appar Mot. 1971 Jun;57(4):287-300. French. PMID: 4256619.

Liber ad amicum

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Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 15:48, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Liber ad amicum; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Not a review: I would recommended dropping "physical" from the hook. Bremps... 04:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Xuân Hương Lake

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Thuy Ta café
Thuy Ta café
  • ... that the Thuy Ta café at the Xuân Hương Lake in Da Lat, Vietnam originally functioned as a water sports clubhouse? Source: Guillaume, Xavier; Guillaume, Marie-Christine (2004). La Terre du Dragon – Tome I. Paris: Publibook. p. 115.
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: This is my fifth nomination, last free QPQ article (unless it doesn't pass =]]]).

Created by Đại Việt quốc (talk). Self-nominated at 09:10, 19 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Xuân Hương Lake; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

George C. Brownell

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Brownell as a "Pretty Moth"
Brownell as a "Pretty Moth"
  • ... that while state senator George C. Brownell played no part in the Oregon land fraud scandal, a published cartoon (pictured) showed him as the "Pretty Moth" that flew too close to the land fraud limelight? Source: A 31 January 1908 Oregon City Courier article says former surveyor-general Henry Meldrum testified in court that he forged Brownell name on field notes that resulted in Brownell’s indictment. That testimony cleared Brownell of any part in fraud scheme. See paragraph titled "Meldrum Confesses" for hook facts. Cartoon was published in 1908 book Looters of the Public Domain on p. 373. Caption says: “George C. Brownell, the "Pretty Moth" of Oregon politics, whose wings were somewhat scorched by too close contact with the land fraud limelight.”

Created by Orygun (talk). Self-nominated at 00:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/George C. Brownell; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

555 Edgecombe Avenue

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555 Edgecombe Avenue
555 Edgecombe Avenue

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 17:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/555 Edgecombe Avenue; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Isaac Saul

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Created by Mover of molehills (talk). Self-nominated at 17:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Isaac Saul 2; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 18[edit]

Jack Washburn

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Created by Piotrus (talk) and Cielquiparle (talk). Nominated by Cielquiparle (talk) at 09:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Jack Washburn; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Espresso and tonic

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Espresso and tonic
Espresso and tonic

Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 13:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Espresso and tonic; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Going Places (Yellow Swans album)

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5x expanded by AstonishingTunesAdmirer (talk). Self-nominated at 23:12, 18 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Going Places (Yellow Swans album); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Not a review, just a comment: "the band's" can be condensed to "their".

Bremps... 05:47, 19 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ajanta range

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Created by Shivashree (talk). Self-nominated at 18:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ajanta range; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  •  Comment:: the hook is strangely worded and a little circuitous. Might I suggest "...that the Ajanta range in central India contains the Ajanta Caves, a UNESCO World Heritage site?" At least add "and". Edward-Woodrow (talk) 20:30, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Okay, I'm going to sound like a complete jerk, but even a quick skim of the article revealed several problems – it needs quite a lot of work before I would even consider having it featured on the main page.
  • A couple unreferenced parts: the whole second paragraph and the last sentence.
  • Vigorous copy edit needed: many, many places where the prose is missing a "the" or other article.
  • Other language problems: species names need to be italicized; needs a lot more links for context, and again, a vigorous copy edit (e.g., till 19th Century; and some grammatical problems.
  • No sectioning, which is surprising, given the length.
  • The claim Teak, Anogeissus latifolia, Dalbergia sissoo are important species. The source gives that information for Maharashtra, not for the mountains in specific, and in the context of the tropical forests. I would argue that the source doesn't verify the claim, given that it is for a completely different habitat. Even if we consider it as applying to Maharashtra, I consider it a stretch.

Edward-Woodrow (talk) 20:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ameerega munduruku

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  • ... that male Ameerega munduruku frogs are known to carry tadpoles on their back? Source: Neves, Matheus Oliveira; da Silva, Leandro Alves; Akieda, Paulo Sérgio; Cabrera, Rodrigo; Koroiva, Ricardo; Santana, Diego José (2017). "A new species of poison frog, genus Ameerega (Anura: Dendrobatidae), from the southern Amazonian rain forest". Salamandra. 53 (4): "We found one male (not collected) carry- ing nine tadpoles on its dorsum during the wet season (No- vember 2016)."

Improved to Good Article status by AryKun (talk). Self-nominated at 14:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ameerega munduruku; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

King Lear (Shostakovich film score)

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  • ... that Dmitri Shostakovich's 1971 score to the film King Lear is the last he completed? Source: Dmitri Shostakovich: A Life in Film by John Riley, p. 105
    • ALT1: ... that one of the cues in Dmitri Shostakovich's 1971 score to film King Lear was said to have "expressed pity like a force"? Source: King Lear: The Space of Tragedy by Grigori Kozintsev, p. 254
    • ALT2: ... that of the seventy cues Dmitri Shostakovich composed for the 1971 film King Lear, less than half made it into the final cut? Source: Dmitri Shostakovich: A Life in Film by John Riley, p. 104
    • ALT3: ... that despite agreeing to score the 1971 film King Lear, Dmitri Shostakovich twice asked to be replaced with another composer? Source: Dmitri Shostakovich: New Collected Works. XIVth Series: Film Music. 142nd Volume: Sofya Perovskaya (Music to the Film, Op. 132), King Lear (Music to the Film, Op. 137), p. 185
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: QPQ coming soon. More hooks too. Article will be expanded a bit tomorrow.

Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:02, 18 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/King Lear (Shostakovich film score); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

The Ulama in Contemporary Islam: Custodians of Change

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Created by Owais Al Qarni (talk). Self-nominated at 01:41, 18 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Ulama in Contemporary Islam: Custodians of Change; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 19[edit]

Javier Milei

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Javier Milei in VIVA22.
Javier Milei in VIVA22.
Addition: there was a split in the Libertarian Party of Russia. Today there are two different organizations calling themselves the Libertarian Party of Russia and using the same symbols.
Group of the regional libertarian movement for libertarians located in the territory corresponding to Peter the Great’s borders of the Ingria Province in 1708:
https://vk.com/ingria_libertarian?w=wall-96624146_1677
https://t.me/Ingria_libertarian/2111
https://www.facebook.com/groups/liberty.spb/posts/2658974337585494 — Russian: "Впервые в истории рыночные реформы будет возглавлять президент-либертарианец, и он же будет формировать правительство. До этого либертарианцы только входили в правительства и не были самостоятельны, проводя реформы";
Russian libertarian channel about politics in Latin America by [Yauheni Juma]:
https://t.me/zhyveliberty/2073 — Russian: "Хавьер Милей - первый президент-либертарианец в мировой истории!"

5x expanded by LALKOVED (talk). Self-nominated at 21:38, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Javier Milei; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Rojin Polat

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Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 13:23, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rojin Polat; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

The Mongol Khan

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Created by AirshipJungleman29 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Mongol Khan; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Matthew Turpin

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Created by W9793 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Matthew Turpin; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

WSKG-TV

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5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 23:46, 19 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/WSKG-TV; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Judaism and sneezing

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Created by Ploni (talk). Self-nominated at 15:51, 19 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Judaism and sneezing; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Fifth Chinese Daughter

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Converted from a redirect by Toadboy123 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:28, 19 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Fifth Chinese Daughter; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

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Articles created/expanded on November 20[edit]

Melvin Ramsay

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Improved to Good Article status by Femke (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Melvin Ramsay; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Empire of the Sultans

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Tile from the Empire of the Sultans exhibition
Tile from the Empire of the Sultans exhibition

Moved to mainspace by MartinPoulter (talk). Self-nominated at 14:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Empire of the Sultans; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Pied cuckoo-dove

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  • ... that pied cuckoo-doves scare other birds away from fruiting plants by clapping? Source: Pratt, Thane K. (1984). "Examples of Tropical Frugivores Defending Fruit-Bearing Plants". The Condor. 86 (2): 126–128. "The pigeon attacked all other species...It behaved agonistically by clapping its wings loudly while attempting to alight on the visitor"

Improved to Good Article status by AryKun (talk). Self-nominated at 07:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Pied cuckoo-dove; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Exercise Hell Tank

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Westland Scout armed with SS.11 missiles
Westland Scout armed with SS.11 missiles

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 19:03, 20 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Exercise Hell Tank; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 21[edit]

Rex Parker

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Moved to mainspace by Hameltion (talk). Self-nominated at 21:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Rex Parker; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Carl Segerståhl

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Created by Frzzl (talk). Self-nominated at 21:32, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Carl Segerståhl; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Al-Wafa bi Asma al-Nisa

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Created by Owais Al Qarni (talk). Self-nominated at 18:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Al-Wafa bi Asma al-Nisa; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Humboldt Wagon Road

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  • ... that the Humboldt Wagon Road passed through four California counties, but went nowhere near Humboldt County? Source: Chang, Anita L. "The Historical Geography of the Humboldt Wagon Road", Association of Northern California Records and Research, 1992, p. 19 (source not available online)
    Mark, Andy, "Stories of the Humboldt Wagon Road", The History Press, 2020, p. 89: [25]
    • ALT1: ... that stagecoaches on the Humboldt Wagon Road could make the 400-mile (640 km) trip from Chico, California to Ruby City, Idaho in under four days, for a $60 fare? Source: Mark, Andy, "Stories of the Humboldt Wagon Road", The History Press, 2020, p. 29 [26]
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: I prefer the first hook.

Created by WeirdNAnnoyed (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Humboldt Wagon Road; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Interesting article on California history. New enough (nominated on same day article was moved into mainspace); long enough (7180 characters). Well sourced and neutral. Earwig doesn't return meaningful results because most sources are books. Citation of multiple sources suggests there isn't a copyvio problem and spot check doesn't seem to indicate close paraphrasing. AGF on book source for hook...but my main nit there is that if you're citing Chang for the first hook (ALT0), shouldn't you also be citing Chang within the article for that one sentence lacking a footnote at the moment? Or are you citing Chang for only part of that hook because the second half of the sentence is common sense inference? The problem with ALT1 is that it is too "complete" – all the facts you need are in the hook itself and there is no reason to click further to answer the question / read the article. It appears submitter is a new to DYK and is thus exempt from the QPQ review requirement, though for future reference WeirdNAnnoyed, it would be helpful to indicate in the Comment section (or Review section) whether it's your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th DYK submission. (After that, you have to do QPQ reviews along with the rest of us.) So really just need clarification on why the sentence in the article corresponding to the hook lacks a citation at the end. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for feedback, this is indeed my first nomination so I apologize for getting some details wrong. The reason I didn't add a citation at the end is common sense inference, as you say. This can be confirmed by consulting a map; the trail's westernmost point was about 100 miles from the nearest point in Humboldt County. I have a paper copy of the Chang reference and can upload an image of the relevant page if that would help with documentation. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 15:45, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@WeirdNAnnoyed: No need to apologize at all! This is just part of the standard DYK review and bulletproofing process which continues all the way until the day the DYK runs on the main page, when thousands of people read it (and are liable to poke holes if there are problems). (In other words, we're just trying to identify and resolve any potential issues sooner rather than later, because if it happens on the day, the hook could get pulled off the main page.) In this case, I see that there is a Humboldt County, Nevada that gave the road its name (for example per this source) ("One of those connections was to mines in Humboldt County in Nevada, which gave the local road its name."). Maybe you knew that, but I didn't when I initially read the hook and article, so now I feel that ALT0 is problematic. That said, we could try a version of the hook that plays on the fact that there are two Humboldt Counties, going for the final slot which is often reserved for "quirky" or playful hooks (and hence allows for a bit more leeway):
What do you think? (If we were going to use that, we would have to make a couple of changes in the article itself.) In any case, could you try to propose at least one more hook, so the promoter has a couple good ones to choose from? Cielquiparle (talk) 17:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Cielquiparle:: Thanks for that source, I had not found that one. It disagrees with the reference I have, which specifically names the mining district, but since the county was probably named for the mines it's not a major discrepancy. I really like your hook! I have edited the text of the article to make it more compatible with your suggestion; please let me know what you think.

Baldwin-Reynolds House

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5x expanded by Pbritti (talk). Self-nominated at 16:12, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Baldwin-Reynolds House; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

John Littlejohn (preacher)

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Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 05:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/John Littlejohn (preacher); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • The article meets DYK requirements and I didn't find any close paraphrasing. I do not have access to the sources so AGF on them. QPQ has been done. I do have a concern about the hook though: was the work in question actually pornographic? The source says that Andrews (the author of the source) was the one who said it was pornographic, but I'm not sure if that's enough to make it definitive. At the very least, maybe the current hook as written may be misleading. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • @Narutolovehinata5 I do appreciate the AGF, but I think it is relatively unlikely that Andrews doesn't know what she's talking about here, since she's a subject matter expert in colonial American History. Pornographic literature certainly existed in the colonies at this time (see Lyon's Sex among the Rabble (2006)), and since the term 'pornography' had not yet been coined, I do not think that "private stories" -> 'erotica' would be an unlikely conclusion. - Generalissima (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That would probably still be synthesis/OR unless there was a more explicit connection stated in a reliable source. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Andrews, who I am citing here, is a subject matter expert on American colonial culture and religion. It is not synthesis to assume that they are correct on the field that they study. See WP:NOTOR. Generalissima (talk) 03:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Disclosure: I talked about this with Vaticidalprophet over Discord DM, but basically, I was convinced that my particular concern is not an issue and thus I am lifting it here. I'm still not totally convinced about the accuracy of the "pornographic" claim but I am assuming good faith now that Andrews is right about that particular claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Square pyramid

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  • ... that the square pyramid can be used to construct another new polyhedron? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=afJdDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA84
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: This is my first time nominating the DYK. The article is about a square pyramid that, in one of the applications, may be used to construct a new polyhedron. However, I do think this hook may also be used in Pentagonal pyramid if this has already become GA in the future. Maybe someone can find an alternative hook other than the discussion in WT:DYK (see oldid=1186117126).

Improved to Good Article status by Dedhert.Jr (talk). Self-nominated at 01:07, 21 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Square pyramid; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Kirby (character)

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Created by Fieryninja (talk). Nominated by OlifanofmrTennant (talk) at 01:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kirby (character); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 22[edit]

TVX Broadcast Group

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Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 00:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/TVX Broadcast Group; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Sandra Johnson

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Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self-nominated at 19:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sandra Johnson; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - Sorry, but "born in a large country" doesn't look hooky to me, especially since it's not uncommon for children of military personnel (like Johnson) to be born abroad wherever said personnel are stationed. Perhaps something related to defying William Shockley's racist beliefs, her firsts about Black women, or both?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @David Eppstein: See my above note. Otherwise, article is solid, and special thanks for offering an extra hand on the backlog. ミラP@Miraclepine 02:44, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Withdrawn. I thought that her birthplace would be seen as surprising, but apparently not. As far as I can tell everything else in the article is routine "engineer does engineering" or best-avoided-as-hooks "first person of specific subgroup to do something specific". I don't want to use Shockley because we only have one source for that anecdote and I worry that it might have distorted it somewhat in the telling. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Perfecting Women: Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanawi's Bihishti Zewar

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5x expanded by Owais Al Qarni (talk). Self-nominated at 23:30, 22 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Perfecting Women: Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanawi's Bihishti Zewar; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Protector Shoal

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Improved to Good Article status by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Protector Shoal; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

QPQ: Red XN - Not yet
Overall: 2603:7000:2101:AA00:40CC:69A5:9E1E:16CB (talk) 18:55, 23 November 2023 (UTC) Pretty sure that Tierra del Fuego is considered part of South America. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:30, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm open to being convinced. But the wp article it links to says it is "an archipelago off the southernmost tip of the South American mainland." I don't see this article or that one stating that it is in fact itself part of South America, rather than off of it. What do you know, not in either article, that makes you pretty sure? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:59D9:28DE:BCC:4796 (talk) 08:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
South America does show it on its map and discusses it as part of South America. Contrast with e.g the Galapagos, which are sometimes considered part of Oceania. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If this article were to have a ref that supported that aspect of the hook directly, I would be happy to put a check mark on that requirement.2603:7000:2101:AA00:894B:9C69:E769:856B (talk) 16:49, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Technically, I also need to provide the QPQ still. Often when I am done writing an article I don't have steam to do the QPQ review. I've put a sentence in, keeping in mind that the pumice has to first get past South America before it can get to TDF. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Added QPQ. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:55, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Andrew J. Evans Jr.

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Andrew J. Evans Jr.
Andrew J. Evans Jr.

Created by Toadboy123 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Andrew J. Evans Jr.; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Gogoliad

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Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:45, 22 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Gogoliad; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Interesting article about a fascinating project, based on good-looking sources, accepting foreign and offline sources AGF. - Let's look at ALT1, because ALT0 has too much about the director's ideas for my taste. We will have readers who have no idea that Shostakovitch was a composer, which could be helped by saying "last film score", - unfinished could come later, perhaps. I'd also like to see the years because it's not just 10 ;) - my story today being of a woman who was alive when Debussy was born and recorded music by him in 2023. I'd further like to see the director's name unpiped. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 23[edit]

Ivan Kanapathy

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Created by W9793 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ivan Kanapathy; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Altar of Consus

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Created by Graearms (talk). Self-nominated at 15:56, 24 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Altar of Consus; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • @Graearms: New enough and long enough. QPQ pending. Hook fact is interesting; in article but to another source. AGF for DiLuzio, as book previews are not showing enough of the book to determine it completely but I am getting hits pp. 60–62. I need QPQ to pass this. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:21, 27 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sabrina the Teenage Witch: The Album

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Created by Breaktheicees (talk). Self-nominated at 08:29, 23 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sabrina the Teenage Witch: The Album; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Comment only It would be good if you could tidy up the main hook; you are linking to a disambiguation page, and another link is a redirect. Both are not permissible for the main page. Schwede66 23:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Winter Soldier (story arc)

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Created by Morgan695 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:44, 23 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Winter Soldier (story arc); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 24[edit]

23rd Street viaduct

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5x expanded by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 02:23, 27 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/23rd Street viaduct; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Nizza, Frankfurt

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Nizza in central Frankfurt
Nizza in central Frankfurt

Created by Smurrayinchester (talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 26 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Nizza, Frankfurt; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Anthony Bennett (gridiron football)

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Created by Kline (talk). Self-nominated at 19:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Anthony Bennett (gridiron football); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Dubliany, Rivne Oblast

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St. Nicholas Church in Dubliany
St. Nicholas Church in Dubliany
  • ... that according to local legend, the St. Nicholas Church in Dubliany, Rivne Oblast, was built there by accident following a clerical error? Source: By the time the people of Dubno had alerted the imperial government to this mistake, construction of the St. Nicholas Church was already underway and therefore the church was completed in Dubliany. [27]
    • Reviewed: [[]]

Created by Akakievich (talk). Self-nominated at 16:27, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Dubliany, Rivne Oblast; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Article is new enough and long enough. QPQ exemption applies. Reference #2 is broken. Also checked Ukrainian sources with DeepL and they seem to add up, except for with a main entrance consisting of three archways of decreasing size. The interior of the church features painted icons and keep in mind I don't know about their reliability. Didn't notice any copyvio or plagiarism. Hook is interesting and cited in article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Olipop

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Created by Panamitsu (talk). Self-nominated at 00:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Olipop; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Not a review: Wouldn't the current phrasing imply the workforce has over $100 million in revenue as opposed to the company? Bremps... 04:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Oh yes it does. How about ALT1 : "...that a company, with over $100 million in revenue, has an all remote workforce?"
  • I don't see a compelling reason to pipe the company's name in this DYK, but up to those more involved than me :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Oh yes I don't either, ALT2:
    "...that Olipop, with over $100 million in revenue, has an all remote workforce?"
    —Panamitsu (talk) 03:02, 26 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Florin (New Zealand coin)

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  • ... that a design for the New Zealand florin was described as a kiwi violently defecating? Source: Stocker, Mark (2005). "'A Very Satisfactory Series': The 1933 New Zealand Coinage Designs" British Numismatic Journal, #75, p. 154 "It is clear that the initials must come out, and I would be glad if you would suggest what kind of buzz-fuzz can go in to take its place. What about a New Zealand fern, very small, or something of that kind? I am afraid that, if you put a plain spot there, it would look as if the kiwi had just relieved nature, and moreover that he was suffering from so violent a need to do so that he had propelled the pellet out with considerable violence."

Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 21:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Florin (New Zealand coin); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Bitter Legacy

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Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 08:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bitter Legacy; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 25[edit]

Stephen Badlam

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Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 21:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Stephen Badlam; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Wood-pasture hypothesis

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Open wood-pasture in Langå Egeskov, Jutland, Denmark
Open wood-pasture in Langå Egeskov, Jutland, Denmark
  • ... that the wood-pasture hypothesis assumes that semi-open wood pastures (example pictured) and not primeval forests are the natural vegetation of temperate Europe? Source: Vera, F. W. M., ed. (January 2000). Grazing ecology and forest history (1 ed.). UK: CABI Publishing. doi:10.1079/9780851994420.0000. ISBN 978-0-85199-442-0.
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Created by AndersenAnders (talk). Self-nominated at 20:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wood-pasture hypothesis; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

St. Joseph, Wedding

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Interior of St. Joseph
Interior of St. Joseph

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:48, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/St. Joseph, Wedding; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Coco & Clair Clair

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Created by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Coco & Clair Clair; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

No Rome

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5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/No Rome; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Lonnie R. Bristow

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Created by 97198 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Lonnie R. Bristow; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

  • Reviewing... New enough, long enough, QPQ provided. Will complete soon, though I think a better hook than being inspired by his mother could be made. Whispyhistory (talk) 12:21, 25 November 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]



Articles created/expanded on November 26[edit]

Palestinian hikaye

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Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Self-nominated at 18:56, 26 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Palestinian hikaye; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Effective accelerationism

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Converted from a redirect by Jenny8lee (talk) at 21:10, 20 November 2023‎ (UTC). Nominated by WatkynBassett (talk) at 14:54, 26 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Effective accelerationism; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Julia Figueredo

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Julia Figueredo
Julia Figueredo

Improved to Good Article status by Krisgabwoosh (talk). Self-nominated at 10:31, 26 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Julia Figueredo; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]


Articles created/expanded on November 27[edit]

The Lit. Bar

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Created by RoySmith (talk). Self-nominated at 03:33, 27 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Lit. Bar; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Shilling (New Zealand coin)

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New Zealand Shilling reverse, 1933
New Zealand Shilling reverse, 1933

Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 00:11, 27 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Shilling (New Zealand coin); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.Reply[reply]

Special occasion holding area[edit]

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